Fire is even on Fairy, and resists fairy moves.All Fairy-Types are immune to its Draco Meteor (which got nerfed) and resist Fire Blast
Fire is even on Fairy, and resists fairy moves.All Fairy-Types are immune to its Draco Meteor (which got nerfed) and resist Fire Blast
But even so, Sylveon possesses such high SpD that even a neutral Fire Blast won't harm it too bad, if at all. Hydreigon still gets royally screwed by Fairies.Fire is even on Fairy, and resists fairy moves.
I see your point. Based the sets last gen, Hydreigon would have to have heavy Attack investment to even reach 50% damage on Azumarill, which would detract from its overall purpose.I think Azumarill is even bigger problem to Hydreigon than Sylveon. Azumarill not only walls everything three-headed dragon commonly carries, it can use it as set-up bait for a Belly Drum sweep.
Ha.First off, that's terrible and you should feel bad. ParaFlinch is the lowest of low.
*blathers on*
Only on choice sets. On anything else... if anything, it's easier to spam Outrages, since it just passes through them without triggering confusion and all the fairies are slower. Though if fairy+steel cores become popular, maybe it'll be harder to use.Not exactly a nerf in terms of raw gameplay mechanics, but it should come to no surprise to anyone that Dragon- types can't spam Outrages now, because of the influx of Fairy- types.
I am aware of that, CM Jirachi was a thing.All 100 stats plus Calm Mind plus a ton of offensive moves = way more offensive than Klefki. A steel/fairy that's CAPABLE of offensive pressure is quite something.
Yeah. Key word "was". If it had a Fairy typing then it'd definitely have more of an offensive presence, especially in comparison to Klefki, which is essentially what I said in the first place.I am aware of that, CM Jirachi was a thing.
But Jirachi was still very rarely used as an offensive threat. It was used for T-Wave; Paraflinch, U-Turn and Wish in most cases.
In the same vein, Bronzong got hit bad for the same reason.I don't know if this counts at all as subtle, but Metagross got hit on all fronts. Gained two weaknesses, the greater viability of fire types due to new Defog mechanics, as well as the large number of new grounded threats keeping EQ in the forefront of physical moves, all means that it will have a harder time surviving to do damage. It also has a harder time doing damage in the first place, considering that Meteor Mash was tragically nerfed by 10%, bringing it down to a merely decent 90bp. While its accuracy was raised to 90%, this is hardly enough to make up for its loss in power. It's going to miss out on some 2HKOs that it needed, especially considering that SR and especially Spikes will be harder to keep up this gen. We've seen no signs that Clear Body has been buffed to stop speed loss from paralysis or attack loss from burn, so it's still stuck with an extremely mediocre ability.
On the other hand, it wrecks most fairy types, as it can tank Play Rough with its excellent defense, and many special fairy types have no extra type that isn't resisted by Metagross (think psychic/fairy, fairy/flying, normal/fairy, or just pure fairy). Overall, it's most undoubtedly a nerf to Metagross, although the changes are admittedly mixed.
Even in UU Metagross' life got harder. Assuming that some UU players stay in the tier, the new weakness to Dark types makes him vulnerable to Sucker Punch Honchkrow/Bisharp, both of Houndoom's AND Chandelure's STABs and even Klefki's Foul Play (if it ends up in UU).Am I the only one here who is generally terrified of the thought that the likes of Hydreigon and Metagross could be running around in UU? (For the record, I'm not convinced Hydreigon is hit that hard by fairies. It's just got so many coverage options that it can almost always work past its particular counters, just not all at the same time. And I don't think the Scarf + U-turn set is particularly damaged. As for Metagross, its offensive typing is actually useful this generation, so again it should be fine, especially considering how many Pokemon will fall out of OU without permanent weather.)
As the pool of pokemon gets larger; the tiers will change. There is only so much room in OU due to the tier calculations [Usually about 46]. People never thought Heracross would be UU, for example, or Cresselia, back in Gen 4.Am I the only one here who is generally terrified of the thought that the likes of Hydreigon and Metagross could be running around in UU? (For the record, I'm not convinced Hydreigon is hit that hard by fairies. It's just got so many coverage options that it can almost always work past its particular counters, just not all at the same time. And I don't think the Scarf + U-turn set is particularly damaged. As for Metagross, its offensive typing is actually useful this generation, so again it should be fine, especially considering how many Pokemon will fall out of OU without permanent weather.)
Psychic types in general now feel notably worse.As the pool of pokemon gets larger; the tiers will change. There is only so much room in OU due to the tier calculations [Usually about 46]. People never thought Heracross would be UU, for example, or Cresselia, back in Gen 4.
Every tier will be an entirely different place. We have the fairy type; changed Base Stats; new moves; new move accessibility; moves changed; new mechanics like electric being immune to paralysis, and so on. It already looks certain that Latias will be UU at least; it almost was in Gen5 and got hit pretty hard.
This is uncharted territory. We're not even in position to talk about the OU metagame yet; let alone UU; RU or NU. For all we know Metagross could be manageable by something that ends up down there.
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On the main topic; an indirect nerf I feel that will hurt is Starmie.
- Hydro Pump lost 10BP
- Ice Beam lost 5BP
- Thunderbolt lost 5BP
- There is likly a very common user of Shadow Sneak in OU now; Ageislash; who switches in on Starmie with near-impunity. Oh; and he gets Pursuit too. Just to REALLY screw with Starmie. [This applies for the Lati twins too]
- Assault Vest exists now; so Starmie can't blow holes in attackers
- Starmie's niche is arguably contested by Protean Greninja; who; while he does not get Thunderbolt; gets STAB Ice Beam, and gets attacks such as Dark Pulse; and even U-Turn for momentum.
- Perma-rain is a thing of the past, so Starmie can't really run Thunder on a rain team and benifit from the extra x1.5 to Surf/Scald/Hydro Pump
Basically. Fairies just don't have the presence yet to really threaten dragons outside Ubers. I still say Dragon is the best offensive type in the game, but the margin has shrunk and ghost is a close secondThere has been a lot of talk that dragons are gonna be hit hard by the fairies, but aren't they still able to wreck havoc on anything that doesn't resist it? Teams that want to use dragons just have to find a way to cover their weakness to fairy and once the other team has lost its fairies they can go wreck the other team.