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SPOILERS! Pokemon Sword and Shield Datamine Thread
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i still deny its existence to this day!
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jokes aside, im also leaning towards fake for the horses, there are just too many inconsistencies throughout this whole leak that make me think this is fake... (mostly what eve has been saying, and the fact that calyrex's cape changed colors between renders...)
Man people denied Greninja when it leaked too. We go through this cycle pretty much every generation. But throughout the decades ive learned that its better to just wait and see.
Someone on 4chan noticed that Serebii has transparent placeholder images for all of the remaining Pokemon, including
https://www.serebii.net/swordshield/pokemon/898-i.png
https://www.serebii.net/swordshield/pokemon/898-s.png
Typing in any number beyond 898, or any letter other than -i and -s for Calyrex's number there gives a 404 error. So, it seems that either Joe believes these leaks or he already knows something we don't. :P
https://www.serebii.net/swordshield/pokemon/898-i.png
https://www.serebii.net/swordshield/pokemon/898-s.png
Typing in any number beyond 898, or any letter other than -i and -s for Calyrex's number there gives a 404 error. So, it seems that either Joe believes these leaks or he already knows something we don't. :P
IBM
Banned deucer.
Let’s see, this is the last Pokémon content to leak for another year or so, and doing this increases the traffic to their website 100 times over. This is a pretty safe thing to fake leak because it’s such a high reward and they’re expecting people to forget by the time the next games come out. Why wouldn’t they fake leak is the real question.
Yeah, he's not even trying to hide he's an attention needy, but the leaks are real
You guys are overthinking that so much lmao
Afaik Joe works entirely off of public knowledge. He probably believes it has a chance to be true and is making sure he's prepared for the scenario in which it is, which isn't impossible.
I feel like the most suspicious part is them claiming they have known about all of this since June. How come all of this has been in the code for months and yet only a single leaker has meanaged to get their hands on it? With absolutely no other dataminer saying anything about these?
For the record, he was posting cryptic Sword and Shield hints before the direct last year with Super Smash Bros Ultimate photos. He's been shown to have inside info in the past, its just that he doesn't really tout it much because he doesn't want to sour his relationship with The Pokemon Company International
Well, got spoiled (maybe? Now people are saying their possibly fake? Well for the purpose of this post I'm going to treat them like they're real) so I guess there's no point in me not joining in with my thoughts. I'm going to skip commenting on previous posts as there's a lot of arguments going on and I just want to share my opinions on the "new" mons. So first posting a reference pic, thanks CoolMan6001:
New Horses: (Glastrier & Spectrier)
Designs:
I like Glastrier's designs, if I was designing an Ice-type horse this is probably what I also would do: White body, frozen boot hooves, frozen tail, and a bridle mask of ice. It's simple but gets the points across.
Then there's Spectrier. Don't like it. Well, I like parts of it like the disconnected hooves (which I may have some trivia on below...) and the ghostly wisps. Well, at least the ones connected to its hind hooves and the tail, the braids don't look right, like they're supposed to also be flowing back but they look stiff. Also there's something about the face I don't like: it has one. No, I'm not saying its ugly, but with Glastrier having a mask I think they should have also done something with Spectrier's. And I think it shouldn't have a head, or at the very least it should be heavily obscured by a dark mist with only a vague silhouette and glowing eyes visible. Could have been a neat reference to the Dullahan.
Dex Entries:
Oh boy, I love Dex exaggerations. Its mask is 100 times harder than diamonds, huh. So Fighting-type and especially Rock-type moves should just bounce off, right (and Steel maybe just do neutral)?
That said, geez. Kicks that separate the body and soul? Sucking the life-force out of helpless sleeping creatures? Are we sure Yveltal is the embodiment ofdeath destruction? Don't get me wrong, it's sounds metal, but it's almost to a degree that I kind of feel repulsed by it.
Reading these entries a few things crossed my mind, more for Spectrier than Glastrier. The first thing is the mythical Mare, though originally an imp-like creature that sat on your chest and gave you nightmares, many modern day re-interpretations have turned it into a demonic horse-like creature (cause a female horse is called a "mare"). The second was the "Wild Hunt", a mythical event where ghostly & other supernatural horse riders ride across the sky as if they're hunting something, to see one is usually a bad omen of incoming catastrophe.
Stat Lean & Sig Abilities:
Glastrier is Physical-focused with Spectrier the Special counterpart, both having Moxie-like Abilities that raises their preferred offense stat when they knock out an opponent. Really got nothing to say for Spectrier, even without a Signature Move it has plenty of Special Ghost-type moves to work with. But Glastrier, well first off good thing it has a Signature Move because the only other Physical Ice Move I can see it getting it Ice Shard and maybe Icicle Crash & Icicle Spear. And hopefully it'll also be fast and GF won't make it into another "mighty glacier"... *looks at Dex entry about being 100 times harder than diamond* Arceus darn it...
Calyrex "Fusions":
Designs:
Now at first I was disappointed, but I think it was R_N who pointed out we weren't told they were going to be fusions, just that Calyrex "combined" with the horses. And thinking about it, this does make sense. Like, first off, how would a fusion of Calyrex and the horses work even before we knew anything more about the horses? I think had we actually took a minute to think about it I'm sure a few of us would probably come up with a "Calyrex riding on the horses" idea. So in that regard, I'm more accepting of these designs than I was when I first saw them. And, much like with the Galar Starters when they Gigantamax, Calyrex goes through some sublte changes like having its cape grow so there is a design change. That said. I maybe would have liked to see more of Calyrex's appearance to be applied to the horses. Like having its bud necklace appear around their neck (maybe showing the way Calyrex tames these "Wild Horses"), instead of riding bare back there was a saddle resembling its back wings, and the tassels being colored green as the blue stands out like a sore thumb. If they're going to become a king's steed they should look more "dignified".
But I think with this we see a major inspiration for the "Wild Horses" is them being a steed for Calyrex, a Warhorse. Infact, the small Calyrex riding on the bigger horses brings to mind a famous painting of another leader riding their horse into battle:
Napoleon Bonaparte and his loyal steed, Marengo. "Um, Napoleon was French and Kalos was 2 gens ago". Why yes, Napoleon was French, but this is about Marengo. After the Battle of Waterloo, Marengo was captured and brought back to the United Kingdom to be used as a stud. After dying, Marengo's skeleton was preserved and most of his skeleton is currently on display in the National Army Museum in Chelsea, London. "Most of", because after dying four parts of Marengo was removed: it's hooves (All. Comes. Together). The museum only has two of the hooves while the other two are in private collections.
The above link to Warhorses has a whole bunch of others famous horses, some of course from the United Kingdom. I wouldn't be surprised if maybe one or more of them provided additional inspiration to the "Wild Horses".
Dex Entries:
It's the Shield dex entry that raises some questions. Like, why does combining its power with an Ice Horse does it gain the power to teleport a forest? Like that sounds like something it would gain by combining its power with Spectrier. Eitherway, I have a feeling this part of its entry is probably going to have some plot importance, like we're going to learn that the Frozen Tundra was moved from where it originally was for some reason. For what reason? Well...
But let's get to THE most important dex entry: it foresaw a meteor strike and saved all the Pokemon in the forest from it. By Saving them do you mean... teleporting the forest overnight? And by a meteorite strike do you mean... Eternatus who landed on Earth in a meteorite 20k years ago? Hmm, looks like things are piecing together...
Ability & Type Combing:
I'm going to guess the Ability combining does have to do with the Wild Horses Abilities more than Calyrex. Like when the Wild Horse are alone they just have the Moxie effect, but when mounted by Calyrex their effect change to be both the Moxie clone & Unnerve's effect. It's still a singular Ability, it's just now doing two things instead of one.
As for Calyrex Rider's Type, now that's a tougher subject. I have two theories:
Shiny Galarian Birds: Colored them in their normal counterparts colors, very nice! Hey, GF, how about re-doing the normal Bird Trio's Shiny by coloring them like their Galarian counterparts, bring this all back around... no? *Sigh*
New Horses: (Glastrier & Spectrier)
Designs:
I like Glastrier's designs, if I was designing an Ice-type horse this is probably what I also would do: White body, frozen boot hooves, frozen tail, and a bridle mask of ice. It's simple but gets the points across.
Then there's Spectrier. Don't like it. Well, I like parts of it like the disconnected hooves (which I may have some trivia on below...) and the ghostly wisps. Well, at least the ones connected to its hind hooves and the tail, the braids don't look right, like they're supposed to also be flowing back but they look stiff. Also there's something about the face I don't like: it has one. No, I'm not saying its ugly, but with Glastrier having a mask I think they should have also done something with Spectrier's. And I think it shouldn't have a head, or at the very least it should be heavily obscured by a dark mist with only a vague silhouette and glowing eyes visible. Could have been a neat reference to the Dullahan.
Dex Entries:
Belligerent and takes things it wants by force, so what you're saying is it's... cold hearted? *Face hit by a snowball*Glastrier said:
Oh boy, I love Dex exaggerations. Its mask is 100 times harder than diamonds, huh. So Fighting-type and especially Rock-type moves should just bounce off, right (and Steel maybe just do neutral)?
Why doesn't it use sight? It has eyes and they're open. Maybe if you went with a Dullahan design that would make more sense...Spectrier said:
That said, geez. Kicks that separate the body and soul? Sucking the life-force out of helpless sleeping creatures? Are we sure Yveltal is the embodiment of
Reading these entries a few things crossed my mind, more for Spectrier than Glastrier. The first thing is the mythical Mare, though originally an imp-like creature that sat on your chest and gave you nightmares, many modern day re-interpretations have turned it into a demonic horse-like creature (cause a female horse is called a "mare"). The second was the "Wild Hunt", a mythical event where ghostly & other supernatural horse riders ride across the sky as if they're hunting something, to see one is usually a bad omen of incoming catastrophe.
Stat Lean & Sig Abilities:
Glastrier is Physical-focused with Spectrier the Special counterpart, both having Moxie-like Abilities that raises their preferred offense stat when they knock out an opponent. Really got nothing to say for Spectrier, even without a Signature Move it has plenty of Special Ghost-type moves to work with. But Glastrier, well first off good thing it has a Signature Move because the only other Physical Ice Move I can see it getting it Ice Shard and maybe Icicle Crash & Icicle Spear. And hopefully it'll also be fast and GF won't make it into another "mighty glacier"... *looks at Dex entry about being 100 times harder than diamond* Arceus darn it...
Calyrex "Fusions":
Designs:
Now at first I was disappointed, but I think it was R_N who pointed out we weren't told they were going to be fusions, just that Calyrex "combined" with the horses. And thinking about it, this does make sense. Like, first off, how would a fusion of Calyrex and the horses work even before we knew anything more about the horses? I think had we actually took a minute to think about it I'm sure a few of us would probably come up with a "Calyrex riding on the horses" idea. So in that regard, I'm more accepting of these designs than I was when I first saw them. And, much like with the Galar Starters when they Gigantamax, Calyrex goes through some sublte changes like having its cape grow so there is a design change. That said. I maybe would have liked to see more of Calyrex's appearance to be applied to the horses. Like having its bud necklace appear around their neck (maybe showing the way Calyrex tames these "Wild Horses"), instead of riding bare back there was a saddle resembling its back wings, and the tassels being colored green as the blue stands out like a sore thumb. If they're going to become a king's steed they should look more "dignified".
But I think with this we see a major inspiration for the "Wild Horses" is them being a steed for Calyrex, a Warhorse. Infact, the small Calyrex riding on the bigger horses brings to mind a famous painting of another leader riding their horse into battle:
Napoleon Bonaparte and his loyal steed, Marengo. "Um, Napoleon was French and Kalos was 2 gens ago". Why yes, Napoleon was French, but this is about Marengo. After the Battle of Waterloo, Marengo was captured and brought back to the United Kingdom to be used as a stud. After dying, Marengo's skeleton was preserved and most of his skeleton is currently on display in the National Army Museum in Chelsea, London. "Most of", because after dying four parts of Marengo was removed: it's hooves (All. Comes. Together). The museum only has two of the hooves while the other two are in private collections.
The above link to Warhorses has a whole bunch of others famous horses, some of course from the United Kingdom. I wouldn't be surprised if maybe one or more of them provided additional inspiration to the "Wild Horses".
Dex Entries:
Don't really have anything to say about the first dex entry, aside it more sounding like Calyrex is trying to hide it accidentally ran someone over by healing them and saying they were the aggressor. "Why yes officer, that Skwovet showed us ill-contempt. Yes, I was riding off the path, less traffic and I had to be somewhere. No, it wasn't that Glastrier just wanted the berries Skwovet was collecting. I have complete control over Glastrier, I'm kind, I don't need a license".Ice Rider said:
It's the Shield dex entry that raises some questions. Like, why does combining its power with an Ice Horse does it gain the power to teleport a forest? Like that sounds like something it would gain by combining its power with Spectrier. Eitherway, I have a feeling this part of its entry is probably going to have some plot importance, like we're going to learn that the Frozen Tundra was moved from where it originally was for some reason. For what reason? Well...
Yeah, nice and all you're bringing green to the wastelands, but you did make sure Spectrier didn't suck the life out of all the Pokemon you passed, right?Shadow Rider said:
But let's get to THE most important dex entry: it foresaw a meteor strike and saved all the Pokemon in the forest from it. By Saving them do you mean... teleporting the forest overnight? And by a meteorite strike do you mean... Eternatus who landed on Earth in a meteorite 20k years ago? Hmm, looks like things are piecing together...
Ability & Type Combing:
I'm going to guess the Ability combining does have to do with the Wild Horses Abilities more than Calyrex. Like when the Wild Horse are alone they just have the Moxie effect, but when mounted by Calyrex their effect change to be both the Moxie clone & Unnerve's effect. It's still a singular Ability, it's just now doing two things instead of one.
As for Calyrex Rider's Type, now that's a tougher subject. I have two theories:
- Theory 1: It's still Psychic/Grass. You're battling Calyrex, it's just riding on top of the Wild Horse. HOWEVER since it is riding them, in addition to gaining their Ability, they also gain access to their moves most notably their Signature Move (sure it won't get STAB, but neither did Kyurem when it fused and got Reshiram's/Zekrom's Signature Move).
- Theory 2: Just like how they combined its Abilities, it'll turn into the first official Triple Type. Ice Rider would be Psychic/Grass/Ice (4x Weak to Bug & Fire; 2x Weak to Flying, Poison, Ghost, Dark & Rock; Resistant to Ground, Water, Grass, Electric, & Psychic) and Shadow Rider is Psychic/Grass/Ghost (4x Weak to Ghost & Dark; 2x Weak to Flying, Fire & Ice; Resistant to Fighting, Ground, Water, Grass, Electric & Psychic; Immune to Normal & Fighting). That's actually not bad, no 8x weaknesses not 1/8 resistances (infact it doesn't even has any 1/4 resistances). So I think a Triple Type is perfectly reasonable in this case, which either shows GF did their homework or this isn't their plan and it just so happens to be a happy coincidence.
I worked for Joe as the POTW writer through 5th and 6th gen and generally no he doesn't get insider info. He only gets the same leaks as the rest of us.
Once he actually had Nintendo threaten legal action against him because he used leaked pictures on his website lol.
It's possible he has insider info now but it's not like "his dad works at Nintendo" or anything. For the most part he gets the same info we do.
CTNC
Doesn't know how to attack
My opinion on the fake or real thing is I don't really care if this is fake or real. If this is real, I'm getting the Ice horse because even though the Ghost one's hooves being detached is cool, the eyelashes feel too MLP for me. If fake, it's been fun speculating and we'll have real new stuff when it actually comes out.
Anyway, I've never been suspicious of anything real enough to get posted on Smogon before, so congrats on breaking through my gullibility.
I know, I brought up G-Slowking because the idea of having trouble faking something made me think about how the one Pokemon that looked hardest to fake was the one that was corrupt. (BTW, I was wrong about no official artwork. I just forgot until now. I would have forgotten G-Slowking entirely if it wasn't mentioned earlier.) Only having low quality on the one that isn't suspiciously like an already existing Pokemon is probably more suspicious than data for one Pokemon supposedly being corrupt.
Anyway, I've never been suspicious of anything real enough to get posted on Smogon before, so congrats on breaking through my gullibility.
Like this whole new game he knows about coming in 2021?
Also the Bug/Dragon from early SwSh days.
He doesn't even have to believe these leaks. The horses codenames were datamined back in June/July by people who have been datamining the games since, what, Gen 6?
my bad, and if these leaks are real why haven't any other dataminer joined in or at least confirmed this info?
Maybe not to have placeholders in general, but specifically the letters i and s for "ice" and "shadow" wouldn't be known unless leaked.
I was refering to serebii. I've heard of these Centro Pokemon Leaks guys before, but honestly I don't really know much about them.
There being a new Pokemon game next year isn't exactly a gutsy prediction though, I think most of us are expecting that!
If I remember correctly, as the Dex was leaking for Kalos, Joe started posting the pictures to his website and saying that he was also connected by the leaker and they were real, only for him to be threatened by the Nintendo lawyers and take them down. Since then, he hasn’t engaged in leaks or rumors and even posted around the Alola Dex leak that he’s never going to confirm or deny anything.
Yeah lol, he was sent a cease and desist letter. He seemed really shook up about it because he just immediately disabled the images instead of replacing them.
I guess no one fucks with Nintendo's lawyers.
had Ausma point out that in my side-by-side of galarian rapidash and the ghorse (im calling it that), there were discrepancies. the most notable was the knees! this isn't actually to do with any differences in body structure, but rather the animation state (or lack thereof, possibly) of the ghorse, best noticed by its straight legs.
both ghorse and calyrex are in extremely neutral states, which is abnormal for a render presumably taken from an animation. this same neutral pose can be seen in its "home render" where it stands, completely straight-legged, facing left and away from the camera.
I don't know about you, but I don't think the devs are so lazy that the only noteworthy difference between a legend and rapidash is that it... doesn't bend its legs or move its body parts at all?
edit @ S. Court: if this were the only thing lending to the idea that we're witnessing a fake, I'd understand calling this overthinking. Also no I think this would be a laziness record lol at least zacian and zamazenta had idle animations
both ghorse and calyrex are in extremely neutral states, which is abnormal for a render presumably taken from an animation. this same neutral pose can be seen in its "home render" where it stands, completely straight-legged, facing left and away from the camera.
I don't know about you, but I don't think the devs are so lazy that the only noteworthy difference between a legend and rapidash is that it... doesn't bend its legs or move its body parts at all?
edit @ S. Court: if this were the only thing lending to the idea that we're witnessing a fake, I'd understand calling this overthinking. Also no I think this would be a laziness record lol at least zacian and zamazenta had idle animations
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