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I have been considering moving Braviary up but haven't got around to testing it yet. Though I was thinking more A or A-. Braviary is still faced with the problem of having both its STABs walled by Rock and Steel types, and they generally either have sky high defences or a secondary typing that resists Superpower. So there are plenty of pokemon that easily check it, even if it nabs a Defiant boost. Skarmory and Jirachi exist, and also many new/buffed additions such as Bronzong, Mega Aggron, Mega Steelix, and Weezing all give Braviary trouble. That said though, I realise that the Bulk Up set has the potential to bypass many would be checks, so depending on how effective that is in testing it might go to A+. Nothing is certain yet.I haven't been following this project but from the looks of it, Braviary is quite possibly S rank material or at least A+. Espeed is absolute gold. CB Espeed takes out almost every offensive threat that is faster and doesn't resist, bypasses +1 Priorities and Braviary has incredible wall breaking power considering it's high attack, STAB Brave Bird, Super Power and even U-Turn. BU Silk Scarf and CB sets seem strong af in theory.
Moxie Weavile might be somewhat overrated with so much priority around (Pangoro/Braviary/Entei) but idk since I haven't played.
Also, I don't understand the Entei hype. It's basically the same unless your opponent decides to switch in an Intimidate user or decides to Defog. Entei isn't even reliable at all vs Offensive defogers since it just dies to Draco. Not to mention high quality spinners such as Starmie and Excadrill exist.
Never even considered regular Absol tbh. Its still completely outclassed by its mega though ain't it? And that is only B- atm as it is. I suppose somewhere between D and C could be reasonable?Hey, where's non-mega absol in the rankings? with parting shot, its extremely useful to have as a setup mon for your sweeper. plus, there isn't the steep cost of its mega form. It could be extremely good in conjunction with things likeshift gearSD lucario, ^^subpunch Pangoro, bulk up bravery, and more.
Yes, sadly it is challenge-only.So, this metagame is challenge-only?
Will implement most of these later.Hi a few quick comments on the VR rankings.
Maybe move Braviary up to like A-. STAB ESpeed, the Flying-Fighting combo to deal solid damage outside of that, and good utility options make it a solid pick. Might want to lower Staraptor a rank or two because Braviary is serious competition if not straight outclassing it.
Archeops could probably rise as well. Taunt+Roost, Hone Claws + 3 attacks, Banded... it has a lot of options. 110 base speed, enough attack, and Rock STAB is so dangerous.
Kyurem and Kyurem-B are equals in my eyes. Strong Ice STAB vs Electric coverage is probably breaking even, and that's without even taking into account Outrage to break down other fat things. But Fusion Bolt is huge for breaking down fat Water types.
Entei may be a little high in A+. As opposed to Bish, who resists Rocks, Entei takes a ton of damage in scenarios where teams trade Rocks and then try to remove them after. I also think Bisharp's STAB priority is a little better than ESpeed due to actually hitting some things super effectively.
Looks great outside of that, except why is Metagross A that makes no sense to me 0_0
I should have specified as I realise that the calc set has max HP and max SpD, but on Mega Steelix I generally run max HP and max Atk, as it is far more efficient at removing what you want it to. So the calc I was going off was this:I wouldn't say that its trapped easily by Steelix, Hammer Arm is a 3HKO on Steelix and Steelix 2HKOs with Earthquake. Even after two HA drops Gross is still faster so again, I wouldn't say easily removed.
True there are more checks I guess but Metagross has never really been an issue for more defensive teams. Stall and balanced have been able to utilize Skarm, Garchomp, Slowbro / Slowking and the like to deal with Gross. Most of the answers you named such as PDef Moltres, Weezing, and all the Steels fit on those types of teams. While its true the second string of mons are all capable revenge killers, regular OU isn't exactly lacking in revenge killers either. The problem with Gross is that its bulk, coverage, and speed are at such a level that offensive teams have difficulty with reliable counterplay, and I don't think we've exactly introduced anything to mitigate that problem at all really.
Your call of course but I just felt that I should make it clear that my viewpoint Gross isn't where it is because of a lack of counters or anything.
I've been testing them a bit but my PS was being weird and only let me save the one replay, thankfully it shows both off really well.So has anyone had a chance to test out the Evil Hydra or Donphan to see how the work in the meta?
Huh, performed really damn well there actually. Looks to be a fun addition. Hydreigon on the other hand is requiring so much revenge killing there that its not even funny.I've been testing them a bit but my PS was being weird and only let me save the one replay, thankfully it shows both off really well.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/outheorymon-255324961
Taking this and my other games into account I've learned two things:
Protean Hydreigon + Tailwind support from Gale Wings Swanna is as ridiculously powerful as it sounds. Like, holy shit.
Ground / Fairy Donphan is actually really hard to switch into and even stronger than I anticipated. It has all the tools to be not just an effective Rock Polish user, but a really effective Rock Polish user. It has just enough speed, perfect neutral coverage between its STABs and Knock Off, nice Defence, Sturdy, and 2 nice immunities. Nice :)
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