Almost absoutely mandatory. The reason why Deoys-D is so good on HO ofensive teams is because how easy is to put entry hazards into it.
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Pokémon Deoxys-Defense
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Signature moves don't mean one if a kind, they mean that the move was sort of made for the pokemon (to an extent). With your logic, there are no signature moves, because smeargle can get them all.
Sketch and Chatter are signature moves then. But that is true else Victini wouldn't have V Create as it's signature move.
You remember that Rayquaza got V-Create, right? and Smeargle can learn it too
I know but Rayquaza had it only as an event and Smeargle is a cheaty cheater. We are getting off topic here lol.
I believe that Deo-D has decent enough offensive stats to work as a bulky offense.
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Offensive Deoxys-D could actually work. Jumpluff was able to pull off a fully viable Swords Dance set back in B/W althought it had a base attack of 55. Deoxys could pull of a Nasty Plot set to be a bulky attacker. It is bulky enought to set up at least one Nasty Plot and at +2 it hits harder than Aegi with an similar EV spread and nature. (Spinda for scale)
+2 252+ SpA Deoxys-D Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Spinda: 288-340 (110.3 - 130.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO. 1.1 at the Spinda scale
252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Flash Cannon vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Spinda: 241-285 (92.3 - 109.1%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO. 0.9 at the Spinda scale
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Banned deucer.
There has been some talk on PO lately about Deoxys-D being worthy of a suspect test for the same reasons it was banned in the previous generations: its ability to lay down entry hazards very easily, giving HO teams the edge against the other playstyles.
When almost everyone had their eyes on Deoxys-S at the start of XY, more savvy players caught on the fact that Deo-D was actually the better one of the two.
While Deoxys-S is more versatile as it can run either an offensive set or the same hazard support set Deo-D runs, the former has issues with the often disappointingly low damage and reliance on a really bad STAB move against anything not weak to its coverage options and the latter can be shut down by any decent offensive pokemon with access to priority, often limiting it to just SR or one layer of Spikes.
Deoxys-D has no such issues. Thanks to its bulk it isn't forced to run Focus Sash and it still has enough speed to outpace most Taunt users. Even against faster Taunters and Pranksters it can still come out on top with Magic Coat. It is true that Deoxys-S can run Taunt or Magic Coat too, but its low bulk means that a misprediction (for example, against Thundurus-I) could turn into disaster, while Deo-D can usually get away with one.
Deo-D also doesn't mind Foul Play thanks to its crap attack stat and high bulk, so it can afford to stay in against something like Mandibuzz, Taunt her and proceed to lay down hazards, something Deo-S can't do.
Deo-D can also run the annoying combination of Taunt+Recover+Rocky Helmet, which turns Excadrill, the best spinner in OU, into a total joke.
And there's still the dreaded Red Card set that can royally screw up set-up sweepers, who will try to attack Deo-D as quickly as possible (lest give it more turns to lay down more hazards), probably fail to even 2HKO and be phazed out.
Basically Deo-D always runs SR and Spikes, and the last two moveslots plus its item slot can be customized in order to completely crap all over the playstyle your team has most issues with.
But no matter what, Deoxys-D will never be deadweight, it will always lay down hazards unless played in spectacularly poor fashion, and its buddies Bisharp and Thundurus will punish anything that tries to Defog them.
Been said that, I personally consider Deoxys-D worthy of a suspect test, but not necessarily broken. It would be interesting being able to play a suspect test where people are forced to run Deoxys-S over Deo-D and see how it plays out.
When almost everyone had their eyes on Deoxys-S at the start of XY, more savvy players caught on the fact that Deo-D was actually the better one of the two.
While Deoxys-S is more versatile as it can run either an offensive set or the same hazard support set Deo-D runs, the former has issues with the often disappointingly low damage and reliance on a really bad STAB move against anything not weak to its coverage options and the latter can be shut down by any decent offensive pokemon with access to priority, often limiting it to just SR or one layer of Spikes.
Deoxys-D has no such issues. Thanks to its bulk it isn't forced to run Focus Sash and it still has enough speed to outpace most Taunt users. Even against faster Taunters and Pranksters it can still come out on top with Magic Coat. It is true that Deoxys-S can run Taunt or Magic Coat too, but its low bulk means that a misprediction (for example, against Thundurus-I) could turn into disaster, while Deo-D can usually get away with one.
Deo-D also doesn't mind Foul Play thanks to its crap attack stat and high bulk, so it can afford to stay in against something like Mandibuzz, Taunt her and proceed to lay down hazards, something Deo-S can't do.
Deo-D can also run the annoying combination of Taunt+Recover+Rocky Helmet, which turns Excadrill, the best spinner in OU, into a total joke.
And there's still the dreaded Red Card set that can royally screw up set-up sweepers, who will try to attack Deo-D as quickly as possible (lest give it more turns to lay down more hazards), probably fail to even 2HKO and be phazed out.
Basically Deo-D always runs SR and Spikes, and the last two moveslots plus its item slot can be customized in order to completely crap all over the playstyle your team has most issues with.
But no matter what, Deoxys-D will never be deadweight, it will always lay down hazards unless played in spectacularly poor fashion, and its buddies Bisharp and Thundurus will punish anything that tries to Defog them.
Been said that, I personally consider Deoxys-D worthy of a suspect test, but not necessarily broken. It would be interesting being able to play a suspect test where people are forced to run Deoxys-S over Deo-D and see how it plays out.
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