Fuck you assrat i wanted tomb anyways i call obligatory skarm
Well, without Poison Jab, Aromatisse walls it, which is honestly more common imoI could have sworn EQ was standard on CB Sawk. Non-stab coverage options like Ice Punch and Poison Jab suck to be locked into and are usually only used out of desperation, in my experience anyway. I would rather run sleep talk (if I cant fit a sleep absorber) since if Sawk's not spamming CC, Knock Off or EQ, it has no business being out there.
EQ also eliminates would-be counters Arbok and Weezing that happen to be listed here.
You are probably better off using other pokemon to deal with Aromatisse. Otherwise, you could cut Ice Punch, which doesn't outdamage CC unless on 4x effective targets.Well, without Poison Jab, Aromatisse walls it, which is honestly more common imo
People told me Band Dnite was better (I don't even know anything about Metagiamate, so I just listened to them.) I'll change it if it's REALLY necessary though.Adrian you should probably use the ddance + weakness policy set, it's a lot harder to check / counter and is better in the metagame anyways Lcass4919
whoever told you bandnite was better obviously hasn't battled my hyper offensive team. lolPeople told me Band Dnite was better (I don't even know anything about Metagiamate, so I just listened to them.) I'll change it if it's REALLY necessary though.
I actually talked about it in IRC; the pivot set is said to be better and harder to counter overall, so I changed it.Wouldn't the CM set be FAR more ideal for victim of the week? I mean, the pivot set is nice and all as you can get your Sneasel in for free and whatnot, but it's really not a potent offensive force that you need to wall like typical VotWs. If anything the best course of action against pivot Musharna is to lay down rocks while it's in or something.
The CM set on the other hand only has a small amount of counters and something not to be taken lightly.
I guess I'll reserve Zweilous then.
The ability to come in doesn't make it beat the set is what I'm saying. I mean a Metang CAN come in on a Raichu, does that mean it beats it? No. A mon that beats this set would be something with the ability to A. pursuit trap or B. pivot in at the right moment, which is tricky to do, hence why we're helping people beat it.My wall isn't very inconvenienced by being paralyzed, is it? Due to that I'm pretty content that I got the opportunity to lay rocks down.
I definitely get the definition of beating a set. What I'm saying is countering a wall isn't really something VotW should strive to do as opposed to instead focusing on informing people of ways on how to wall a potent offensive threat that may or may not have swept them before. The list of things that can come in on that Musharna set with little to no drawback stretches from half the PU tier to even almost every NFE and LC Pokemon. Now compare the list of counters that this set has to that of CM Musharna with or without Baton Pass. Since the latter has offensive presence, the list of counters drastically reduces.
The goal of this thread is to try and teach newer players how to beat some of the not-so-easy to beat Pokemon in the tier. Honestly, I doubt that anyone has found themselves having no solution to a support set in comparison to it's CM variant or things like Swoobat, Nasty Plot Simis, or Sneasel. Hence why I think the CM set would be far more effective for VotW. It can sweep teams and is far more dangerous in general, despite the fact that it might be worse than the set in the OP.
I'm still pretty sure Zweilous can beat this set tho. If it can come in multiple times and attack on switch it's doing significant damage to the opposing team. And if it desides to stay in. It's 2hkoe's by crunch and can deal no damge.The ability to come in doesn't make it beat the set is what I'm saying. I mean a Metang CAN come in on a Raichu, does that mean it beats it? No. A mon that beats this set would be something with the ability to A. pursuit trap or B. pivot in at the right moment, which is tricky to do, hence why we're helping people beat it.
And stall is VERY potent in PU, so educating people on how to beat it is a must