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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Banned]
- Thread starter TPP
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Great news. It's nice to see a ban in DLC 2 besides Arch. Volc in particular was way too much cheese and matchup flipping. Not dealing with it will make things much easier on the builder. It was very necessary to see it go.
As someone who has also been anti-Tera, I don't really think this is the time to harp on it. I also believe the Volc ban would be more likely to result in action on Tera than if it hadn't happened. Off the top of my head, you can now point to at least Regieleki, Espathra, and Volcarona that were banned in part because of Tera Blast specifically. Ogerpon has one form banned and another heavily on the radar, both of which probably wouldn't be needed without Tera. There has been a lot of stuff that was broken regardless, but now pretty much everything that is left is a borderline threat. A potential case is forming that an increasing percentage of these bans are/will be because Tera pushed them over the top.
ok cool thanks for sharing and were banning ur 4head next
tfw no philisophical discussion 
im not mad though. I've been using volc always since suspect and shit goes hard. If we ban tera blast in the future i want her back though.
Guessing Gliscor goes next.
im not mad though. I've been using volc always since suspect and shit goes hard. If we ban tera blast in the future i want her back though.
Guessing Gliscor goes next.
Yes and that has been one thing I have been saying, but let's just focus on a Waterpon or a 2nd Kyurem suspect since their brokenness ties to other stuff.
Done with the philosophical stuff now so no need
It's barely been three months since the last kyurem suspect has been concluded, I don't know if smogon has actual policy for this but it seems like a bit of a slap in the face of anyone who took the time to get reqs and voted no ban to have that invalidated already. Maybe if the majority of the no ban voters from back then turn out to have changed their mind on a tiering survey it could be considered.
If the playerbase feels Kyurem is the most broken thing of OU, this is not a very good argument. I myself think Kyurem is not broken at all though and would Suspect Waterpon (having several other Mon in the list before Kyurem as well).
I think we should take a moment to let things soak in and reassess once everything settles. We do not need another suspect up tomorrow, but obviously the story of SV OU is very much still in-the-making.
ban wellspring now tho finch ?
maybe
Personally, the only thing I think stands out outside the usual suspects Gholdengo / Kingambit (which shouldn't be looked at now) is Roaring Moon. It's very easy to plug and play, Knock + Acro + DD and 4th move is the most common set, you know its coming but there's not much you can do about it. And I still believe it's tera is very much underexplored and people always Tera-Flying. I personally think Roaring Moon feels to be a much needed evil sometime but I feel like if there's anything on the cutting board it's Roaring Moon.
I personally think we shouldn't have a suspect test in the next 30 days, I want people to actually unravel and enjoy the meta as is so they understand there are still things running around lose that personify uncompetitive.
I personally think we shouldn't have a suspect test in the next 30 days, I want people to actually unravel and enjoy the meta as is so they understand there are still things running around lose that personify uncompetitive.
roaring moon is literally bad bruh sweeping w that shit is impossible w the 5 million speed control options+prio+helmet+barb that u have to get through with any prospective tera typing/set it doesnt have nearly enough moveslots to have any one set that is ultra consistent at doing anything more than forcing one kill
ban wellspring. it runs cudgel leech/pwhip pr sd and kills everything barring unviable grasses that have no place on a serious team outside of checking wellspring
ban wellspring. it runs cudgel leech/pwhip pr sd and kills everything barring unviable grasses that have no place on a serious team outside of checking wellspring
Banworthy? No. Bad? Yeah that's a take alright. Million speed control? It's literally just scarf Meow (which is shit) that is faster and priority. Yes, it's containable with hazard+chip+other unique options like Barb, but don't exaggerate or make silly claims.
Prim? I can see why honestly. The dam pokemon typing is god-like and it stabs hit the whole meta-game for at least neutral and it bulks means it will always trade 1 for 1 or more, and pray to god it doesn't tera steel or else you're really screwed. I think it speed does hold it back and being susceptible to encore and faster mon is bad, but I'm not against discussions of prim