Other Stall

[jpw234]

Anything with decently fast Taunt / Status / Recovery can be a stallbreaker:
Taunt / WoW / Knock Off / Softboiled Mew
Taunt / WoW / Substitute or Pain Split / Shadow Ball Gengar
Taunt / Roost / Earthquake / Toxic or Knock Off Gliscor
Taunt / Roost / Earthquake / Stone Edge Mega-Aerodactyl
Taunt / WoW / Knock Off / Recover Sableye
Magma Storm / Taunt / Toxic / Protect Heatran
Taunt / WoW or Bulk Up / Brave Bird / Recover Talonflame

Then the attacking threats:
Taunt or Calm Mind Mega-Gardevoir
Calm Mind Landorus
Mixed Thundurus
Swords Dance Mega-Heracross
Substitute Mega-Medicham
Swords Dance or SubPunch Mega-Mawile (bye-bye)
Etc., etc.

 

[shack]

Is Mega G a stallbreaker bc it can taunt before it sets up to prevent roar/whirlwind?

 

[Nabilla Benattia]

N

Is Mega G a stallbreaker bc it can taunt before it sets up to prevent roar/whirlwind?

No it just is strong as a train and has good coverage. Kills things and goes home, no room for taunt.

 

[#DefyingGravity]

Is Mega G a stallbreaker bc it can taunt before it sets up to prevent roar/whirlwind?

Nope m gengar is just meant for sweping.

 

[shack]

Nope m gengar is just meant for sweping.

N

No it just is strong as a train and has good coverage. Kills things and goes home, no room for taunt.

Sorry I meant Mega Gardevoir, not Gengar

 

[Nabilla Benattia]

Sorry I meant Mega Gardevoir, not Gengar

I know I was referring to Gardevoir. This isn't even relevant given it's banned, but Gengar isn't a sweeper at all, it's a trapper that kills things for others to sweep.

 

[#DefyingGravity]

Sorry I meant Mega Gardevoir, not Gengar

same with gardevoir but its possible

 

[shack]

I know I was referring to Gardevoir. This isn't even relevant given it's banned, but Gengar isn't a sweeper at all, it's a trapper that kills things for others to sweep.

Alright just making sure we were on the same page. So it just hits hard enough to get through Stall is what you're saying? Would you recommend 4 attacks, 3+CM, or 3+Taunt to stop Subs, toxic, etc.?

 

[Lil YoshiXD]

So i've been getting swept by magic guard clefable a lot recently any ideas on how to counter it?
Quagsire can tank hits, but can't do much in return.
Amoongus can clear smog, but flamethrower kills it.
Mega Venu can sludgebomb, but needs a crit as a few CM stops it in its tracks.
Doublade can't hurt it w/o heavy attack investment which hurts its overall usefulness
Heatran can phaze it, but once its last mon your screwed. flashcannon works ok, but after few cms your in trouble.
Zard Y works ok but is prone to SR and can't ko after CMs either.

So my fellow stall players how do you handle clefable?

 

[Rosen]

So i've been getting swept by magic guard clefable a lot recently any ideas on how to counter it?
Quagsire can tank hits, but can't do much in return.
Amoongus can clear smog, but flamethrower kills it.
Mega Venu can sludgebomb, but needs a crit as a few CM stops it in its tracks.
Doublade can't hurt it w/o heavy attack investment which hurts its overall usefulness
Heatran can phaze it, but once its last mon your screwed. flashcannon works ok, but after few cms your in trouble.
Zard Y works ok but is prone to SR and can't ko after CMs either.

So my fellow stall players how do you handle clefable?

Unaware Clefable.

Also, Heatran.

 

[brokenwings]

So i've been getting swept by magic guard clefable a lot recently any ideas on how to counter it?
Quagsire can tank hits, but can't do much in return.
Amoongus can clear smog, but flamethrower kills it.
Mega Venu can sludgebomb, but needs a crit as a few CM stops it in its tracks.
Doublade can't hurt it w/o heavy attack investment which hurts its overall usefulness
Heatran can phaze it, but once its last mon your screwed. flashcannon works ok, but after few cms your in trouble.
Zard Y works ok but is prone to SR and can't ko after CMs either.

So my fellow stall players how do you handle clefable?

Specially defensive Gliscor with taunt, Heatran with taunt, Mew with taunt.. Basically any stallbreaker that can live a few boosted hits.

 

[Lil YoshiXD]

Unaware Clefable.

Also, Heatran.

Specially defensive Gliscor with taunt, Heatran with taunt, Mew with taunt.. Basically any stallbreaker that can live a few boosted hits.

Ah thank you for the help guys this thing has been bothing me for a while now.

Unaware clefable can't really do much in return unless its CM, which could be worth while
Taunt Heatran can work, but regular heatran seems to lose a lot for me with all it can do is roar or let clefable set up even with flash cannon
Mew is always a stud
Gliscor is also incredilble poke

will do some testing.

 

[shack]

Ah thank you for the help guys this thing has been bothing me for a while now.

Unaware clefable can't really do much in return unless its CM, which could be worth while
Taunt Heatran can work, but regular heatran seems to lose a lot for me with all it can do is roar or let clefable set up even with flash cannon
Mew is always a stud
Gliscor is also incredilble poke

will do some testing.

My CM Unaware Clefable rapes magic guard. Heatran can't do much if I gets CMs going besides roaring it out.

 

[Sun King]

My CM Unaware Clefable rapes magic guard. Heatran can't do much if I gets CMs going besides roaring it out.

Heatran taunts and then wears it down with Lava Plume.

 

[TURBODERP]

What is the EV spread/Moveset for SpD Gliscor? I feel Knock Off would be great on it, but Gliscor has serious 4MSS (Taunt, EQ, Toxic, Roost, Sub, Knock Off are all great, and there's also SD/Aerial Ace for offensive versions).

 

[Aragorn the King]

What is the EV spread/Moveset for SpD Gliscor? I feel Knock Off would be great on it, but Gliscor has serious 4MSS (Taunt, EQ, Toxic, Roost, Sub, Knock Off are all great, and there's also SD/Aerial Ace for offensive versions).

Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Hyper Cutter
EVs: 244 HP / 184 SpD / 80 Spe
Careful Nature
- Earthquake / Knock Off
- Taunt / Knock Off
- Roost
- Toxic / Knock Off

Also, Aerial Ace can be used if your team is exceptionally weak to Heracross.

 

[Scubasage]

The one I saw and tested was Jolly, 244 HP / 72 Def / 192 SpD with Subtitute, Toxic, Knock Off and Earthquake. I'm sure there are other spreads though, based on what you need your Gliscor to handle.

 

[UBERPYRO]

What is the EV spread/Moveset for SpD Gliscor? I feel Knock Off would be great on it, but Gliscor has serious 4MSS (Taunt, EQ, Toxic, Roost, Sub, Knock Off are all great, and there's also SD/Aerial Ace for offensive versions).

244 HP/208 SDef/56 Spe with a careful nature is what you want. Max poison heal recovery, and outspeeds adamant bisharp.

Toxic|Taunt|Roost|Earthquake/Knock off

In the last slot, both moves are viable. I like EQ to hit annoying steels, but since Aegi isn't around anymore knock off is a good option too.

 

[Redolent]

Specially defensive Gliscor is one stall's best options vs stallbreaker Gengar, but you need Knock Off for that for obvious reasons.

I ran SD/Earthquake/Knock Off/Roost.

The problem with Taunt + status stallbreakers is that they can't beat Regenerator cores without stacked hazards. I have also beaten stallbreaker Gliscors just by switching between my own Skarmory and Gliscor to drain their Taunt PP. Boosting stallbreakers are more adept at just powering through.

 

[#DefyingGravity]

Specially defensive Gliscor is one stall's best options vs stallbreaker Gengar, but you need Knock Off for that for obvious reasons.

I ran SD/Earthquake/Knock Off/Roost.

The problem with Taunt + status stallbreakers is that they can't beat Regenerator cores without stacked hazards. I have also beaten stallbreaker Gliscors just by switching between my own Skarmory and Gliscor to drain their Taunt PP. Boosting stallbreakers are more adept at just powering through.

Nice set . I use the protect and substitute+ toxic and earthquake.

 

[Karpi]

I'm going to use this thread to ask for a tiny piece of advice on my stall team, since it's very obvious what my problem is. (Is this ok?)

I'm using Quagsire/AV Tyranitar/Sylveon/Restalk Gyarados/Defog Skarm.

Sounds good, right? But my 6th pokemon is AV Escavalier. I was using him because Overcoat+Megahorn+Bug/Steel is an easy answer to Breloom and Venusaur, and Iron Head was supposed to allow me to threaten fairies, but fire moves. Basically my weapon against other balance/stall teams. But I'm SURE there is something better I can use.

Does anyone have any ideas? I'm thinking Clefable's fire moves might be an unavoidable problem, but Escavalier still seems to do better against grass types than a hypothetical Ferrothorn.

 

[Scubasage]

Well, Heatran is a strong answer to Clefable as it had a quad fairy resist and Flamethrower only makes his Lava Plumes stronger. From there he can simply spam Lava Plume or Taunt or Roar, whatever he likes really.

He also does well versus grass types, though not necessarily Breloom, and Venusaurs who carry Earthquake beat him. If they don't use Earthquake though, he handily beats out Venusaur. Absorbing sleep shouldn't be much of an issue since you have a cleric in Sylveon and Resttalk Gyarados to deal with Spore, so I don't see the need for Overcoat at all.

 

[Rosen]

I'm going to use this thread to ask for a tiny piece of advice on my stall team, since it's very obvious what my problem is. (Is this ok?)

I'm using Quagsire/AV Tyranitar/Sylveon/Restalk Gyarados/Defog Skarm.

Sounds good, right? But my 6th pokemon is AV Escavalier. I was using him because Overcoat+Megahorn+Bug/Steel is an easy answer to Breloom and Venusaur, and Iron Head was supposed to allow me to threaten fairies, but fire moves. Basically my weapon against other balance/stall teams. But I'm SURE there is something better I can use.

Does anyone have any ideas? I'm thinking Clefable's fire moves might be an unavoidable problem, but Escavalier still seems to do better against grass types than a hypothetical Ferrothorn.

Mega Scizor. Dat bullet punch. Plus you get knock off, which is nice, or Superpower if Ferrothorn troubles your team (which, by the looks of it, it does)

 

[Karpi]

Well, Heatran is a strong answer to Clefable as it had a quad fairy resist and Flamethrower only makes his Lava Plumes stronger. From there he can simply spam Lava Plume or Taunt or Roar, whatever he likes really.

He also does well versus grass types, though not necessarily Breloom, and Venusaurs who carry Earthquake beat him. If they don't use Earthquake though, he handily beats out Venusaur. Absorbing sleep shouldn't be much of an issue since you have a cleric in Sylveon and Resttalk Gyarados to deal with Spore, so I don't see the need for Overcoat at all.

Seems pretty good to me. I have used Sp Def Heatran on past teams and absolutely loved it. Definitely going to try that out!

You're probably right in that I'm way more than sufficiently prepared for Breloom. Restalk Gyarados is almost perfect just by itself. I'll keep Escavalier in the back of my mind for now, just in case I ever need the "niche 100% Breloom counter" to make some people cry. But Heatran is definitely in. :P

It appears that 5% of good players and 15% of overall players have Earthquake on Venusaur, but as mentioned before I have Gyarados to try and scout for it. Thanks for the idea!

 

[Sun King]

I'm going to use this thread to ask for a tiny piece of advice on my stall team, since it's very obvious what my problem is. (Is this ok?)

I'm using Quagsire/AV Tyranitar/Sylveon/Restalk Gyarados/Defog Skarm.

Sounds good, right? But my 6th pokemon is AV Escavalier. I was using him because Overcoat+Megahorn+Bug/Steel is an easy answer to Breloom and Venusaur, and Iron Head was supposed to allow me to threaten fairies, but fire moves. Basically my weapon against other balance/stall teams. But I'm SURE there is something better I can use.

Does anyone have any ideas? I'm thinking Clefable's fire moves might be an unavoidable problem, but Escavalier still seems to do better against grass types than a hypothetical Ferrothorn.

Is your Gyarados SpDef? Because if not, Landorus-I runs train on that team. Also, I would be wary of stacking AV users; you don't want to make your team too susceptible to Knock Off. I would recommend that you use SpDef Bronzong as he can be your SR setter--SR+Defog Skarm puts A LOT of pressure on it, and is pretty easy for your opponent to exploit. Bronzong is a solid answer to Mega Gardevoir, who otherwise 2HKO's the entire team.