How does Shuckle, the Web setter that you're trading off in this case, get Web and Rocks up reliably against Mega Diancie again?Has anyone claiming that Ribombee OHKOs Diancie with HP Steel even ran a calc? I've read that argument many times here and on Discord and it's just a bad roll with Naive and never kills if neutral natured:
252 SpA Ribombee Hidden Power Steel vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Diancie-Mega: 220-260 (91.2 - 107.8%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
There's also the chance that the Diancie user doesn't Mega Evolve and always survives so on top of that bad roll it's a 50-50, I don't think this is reliable at all. Most likely you'll end up with a 1HP Ribombee and neither webs nor rocks with a very low chance to get them up at any point in the game. I guess there's also Skill Swap but then again the Diancie user can not Mega Evolve and not care at all, it just seems too unreliable of a mon with very low reward of using (trades the ability to get both hazards up reliably just to have a chance to bypass Diancie).
On Ribombee vs Diancie: First, it doesnt matter if Diancie mega evolve or not, Ribombee is the surviving one since it's faster and at worst 2HKOes. (Also, that not Mega Evolve play is a 2-way street: you dont click Mega Evolve = i click Web. Let's not speak like the Diancie player is in total control there). And after your Diancie dies, Ribombee outspeeds the entire unboosted meta bar Tapu Koko so out of Scarfers and priorities (which in this case, you can clearly see coming if the opponent send out like a Garchomp or a Tapu Lele), Ribombee can get Web up and potentially let you know what is running scarf on your opponent's team. It's the speed that make it not trash. Can Shuckle do the same? I dont think so? So you're not trading off to get back nothing. Shuckle is deadweight against Mega diancie while Ribombee can function.
Also, against team featuring MegaSab, yeah you dont need Web up but you sure do like to not have to play 5vs6 from turn 1 since Ribombee can kill Sableye for you if need. Shuckle is is more like free recover fodder for the mega.
In my original post, I clearly said Ribombee is at best a not-bad alternative Shuckle so it's not like oversold it or anything. Ribombee can get Web up against prominent threats that Shuckle is useless against, that's its niche.
tl;dr: Ribombee can get web up against mega diancie. shuckle can't. If your team can benefit from Ribombee doing that, you can use it.
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