That doesn't surprise me, given the common (and flawed) perception of how the two match up. Basically, there's a whole lot less Sandstorm and Hail in Ubers than there is in OU due to the existence of Groundon and Kyogre, and the hits are harder, meaning Chansey's better bulk is more appreciated. Now if people would only realize that Sandstorm and Hail don't really adveserly affect Chansey any more than Blissey, then MAYBE we wouldn't see Chansey about to fall down into UU again...Chansey still outpaces Blissey in Ubers usage, interestingly enough.
Chansey is better in ubers! no sand (or hail).Chansey still outpaces Blissey in Ubers usage, interestingly enough.
plus sand is very common which is good reason to use Blissey over Chansey.U-turn Scizor@C-band vs Blissey@Leftovers 41.59 - 48.87%
U-turn Scizor@C-band vs Chansey@Eviolite 30.68 - 36.22%
Blissey HP 60% left + 12% (lefties and protect) = 72%
Chansey HP 70% left
I'd like to point out that this calculation shows that Blissey survives better than Chansey ONLY when Protect is taken into account. If you don't run protect on your Blissey/chansey set, then you are better off using Chansey. The above calculation would turn out the same results if Sand damage was added btw, which pretty clearly shows that the whole "chansey is worse in sandstorm" argument is total bupkiss.Chansey is better in ubers! no sand (or hail).
U-turn Scizor@C-band vs Blissey@Leftovers 41.59 - 48.87%
U-turn Scizor@C-band vs Chansey@Eviolite 30.68 - 36.22%
Blissey HP 60% left + 12% (lefties and protect) = 72%
Chansey HP 70% left
plus sand is very common which is good reason to use Blissey over Chansey.
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And even Ninetales has to be careful against Abomasnow on the switch. If it has Expert Belt or Choice Band, it could run straight into an EQ and get itself killed on a prediction. Abomasnow is quite literally the Anti-Weather Inducer...Weather Inducer, with Hail being the Anti-Weather Weather. Hail doesn't need to do anything special like the other Weathers, it just needs to exist to screw up other teams. 100% accurate Blizzards definitely don't hurt though.GAH! Why don't people use Chansey more? Whenever I'm battling the LAST thing I usually want to see on the opponents team is Chansey. It's ridiculously difficult to get rid of. I guess the main reason is that Blissey is seen as better for a Protect-wish set due to leftovers, and that's the most common set the blobs are called upon to run.
Also of course, the myth that Chansey is worse in Hail/sandstorm than Blissey still prevails, even though it's complete and utter bupkiss. And even if it were true, the metagame analysis shows that less than a quarter of teams run Sandstorm or Hail anyway, meaning that 75% of the time Chansey is a better wall than Blissey, full stop. So... yeah, still confuses me.
Looks like Virizon, Scrafty and Toxicroak will be staying in OU though. Good for Virizon and Toxicroak certainly, though I'm not entirely convinced Scrafty belongs in OU.
EDIT: and oh, the reason Abomasnow is probably moving up to OU likely has little to do with metagame shifts and more to do with people realizing that Abomasnow and hail are both quite underrated. Played well, they can easily take on the OU environment, and Abomasnow himself is as anti-meta as hell. All the weather starters bar Ninetails are wrecked by him, and he's got good utility against the ever prominent dragons and bulky waters as well. He's not something you want to underestimate unless you want to lose.
Just for that, I'm using Mienshao on all my teams this month that don't involve a Lucario.Okay, everybody. Stop messing around and get Mienshao to UU.
Get it? with something like 3.3% usage this month, we can all get Mienshao to UU. That means:
1. If you use Mienshao, replace him with a Heracross this month. It's not like either are that good in OU anyway.
2. If you don't use Mienshao, play the OU ladder a lot in order to lower Mienshao's percentage. And use Roserade so it can go OU.
This has been a public service announcement on behalf of the Mienshao for UU Foundation.
I agree with this. Abomasnow is a very effective anti-metagame/weather pokemon. Where in 4th gen, it was necessary to build a team around him, in 5th gen, it's almost getting to the point where you can stick him on any team that is weak against rain (or could benefit from a grass pokemon), permitting the rest of the team is not debilitated by hail.Abomasnow was given a run during this last couple of months due to ShakeItUp's dual-weather team. That and Mamoswine can hold their own and take full advantage of hail. Fact is, the rest of your team does not have to be centered around Abomasnow to the point where the team lacks a competitive edge.
Again, I'd like to point out that Blissey wouldn't like it "in the sand" any more than Chansey would. Both are losing 6% of their health they'd normally have at the end of the turn either way. If both are not using Protect, Chansey won't be worn down anymore than Blissey would by special attackers in the sand because the extra damage it's taking from sand is counteracted but the fact it's taking less damage from attacks.While Blissey is inferior to Chansey a lot of the time, when you do face weather it is a real pain. For example Chansey doesn't like taking +6 giga drains from Celebi (even though it can), but in the sand it just makes it that much worse to deal with. Other special attackers in the sand such as Rotom and Latios can really wear you down, and since Chansey/Blissey is usually your main way of dealing with special hits on a stall team, if t goes down your screwed. Also leftovers helps Blissey recover and deal with hazards, why Chansey just loses 12% of her health every time.
Honestly its a preference, both are great.
you are mistaken, mienshao is extremely good in OU if used correctly and if it synergises well with the other memebers of a team, i would recommend people try it out, hjk is very powerful, fake out is great, hidden power ice means gliscor can gtfo, uturn is invaluable and regenrator is an amazing ability for a hit and run poke like mienshao.Okay, everybody. Stop messing around and get Mienshao to UU.
Get it? with something like 3.3% usage this month, we can all get Mienshao to UU. That means:
1. If you use Mienshao, replace him with a Heracross this month. It's not like either are that good in OU anyway.
2. If you don't use Mienshao, play the OU ladder a lot in order to lower Mienshao's percentage. And use Roserade so it can go OU.
This has been a public service announcement on behalf of the Mienshao for UU Foundation.
| 13 | Starmie | 50317 | 11.650% | 40228 | 11.306% |
| 16 | Tentacruel | 44956 | 10.409% | 37012 | 10.402% |
[B] | 18 | Forretress | 37531 | 8.690% | 32387 | 9.102% | [/B]
| 29 | Espeon | 29418 | 6.811% | 23220 | 6.526% |
| 30 | Donphan | 28094 | 6.505% | 23995 | 6.744% |
| 44 | Cloyster | 21484 | 4.974% | 16569 | 4.657% |
| 87 | Xatu | 5101 | 1.181% | 4293 | 1.207% |
| 89 | Hitmontop | 4983 | 1.154% | 4065 | 1.142% |
Espy and Xatu for Magic Bounce, Hitmontop just to add the most used non-OU spinner
+ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +
| Forretress |
+ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +
| Ability |100.0 | Sturdy |
+ ------- + ---- + ------------------------------------------------------------ +
| Item | 85.7 | Leftovers |
| Item | 4.4 | Shed Shell |
| Item | 3.4 | Red Card |
| Item | 6.5 | Other |
+ ------- + ---- + ------------------------------------------------------------ +
| Move | 94.7 | Rapid Spin |
| Move | 66.2 | Spikes |
| Move | 61.1 | Volt Switch |
| Move | 53.7 | Stealth Rock |
| Move | 46.5 | Gyro Ball |
| Move | 41.0 | Toxic Spikes |
| Move | 8.8 | Earthquake |
| Move | 7.2 | Hidden Power |
| Move | 6.0 | Explosion |
| Move | 2.7 | Pain Split |
| Move | 2.4 | Toxic |
| Move | 2.0 | Counter |
| Move | 7.7 | Other |
+ ------- + ---- + ------------------------------------------------------------ +
| Nature | 50.0 | Relaxed |
| Nature | 11.6 | Sassy |
| Nature | 9.7 | Bold |
| Nature | 9.0 | Impish |
| Nature | 7.3 | Calm |
| Nature | 5.2 | Careful |
| Nature | 4.4 | Hardy |
| Nature | 2.8 | Other |
+ ------- + ---- + ------------------------------------------------------------ +
| EVs | 23.8 | 252 HP / ~184 Def / ~72 SpD |
| EVs | 23.6 | 252 HP / 252 SpD |
| EVs | 18.7 | 252 HP / 252 Def |
| EVs | 3.0 | 252 Def / 252 SpD |
| EVs | 3.0 | ~240 HP / 252 SpD |
| EVs | 2.7 | 252 HP / ~212 Def / ~44 SpD |
| EVs | 25.2 | Other |
+ ------- + ---- + -------------------- + ------------------------------------- +
| Forretress @ Leftovers | Forretress @ Leftovers |
| Sturdy | Sturdy |
| 252 HP / 252 SpD | 252 HP / 176 Def / 80 SpD |
| Calm | Relaxed |
| - Spikes | - Spikes |
| - Rapid Spin | - Rapid Spin |
| - Stealth Rock | - Gyro Ball |
| - Volt Switch | - Volt Switch |
+ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +