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Should we tier the CAP Metagame Independently from OU?
One of the problems that has plagued CAP for nearly every project is that in the time it takes to complete, the OU tier completes a suspect test and one of the Pokemon we make assumptions on early in the CAP is removed. For example, the argument for Ghost/Dragon involved the inability of Dugtrio to trap it. By the time Pajantom was complete, Arena Trap was banned in OU. The same has been true of bans like Mega Metagross, which could be handled somewhat ably by Pyroak and Cyclohm despite being an unbalanced terror in OU.
Nonetheless, this is not a discussion that should be taken lightly. Each CAP is built for a balanced metagame of some kind, and if we decide our own parameters for balance, we need to do so with good reason. We try to modify CAPs minimally while ensuring they are not too unbalanced for our own tier.
Should we do this, I believe we ought to have a different sort of mentality on tier governance because CAP’s main thrust is we can balance a metagame via addition rather than subtraction. We can’t, however, mandate a “balance concept” for the next CAP. Another option is to do a personal consideration for each OU Suspect to see if that suspect also unbalances the CAP metagame.
This would be a very serious and significant branching out for CAP. Please bear that in mind as you discuss.
Please note that whatever the outcome of this thread, CAP 24 will exist with our current ruleset (including any OU supsect test results) in effect.
IF we decide to do anything, the implementation process will take place independently of any ongoing or upcoming CAP Project.
One of the problems that has plagued CAP for nearly every project is that in the time it takes to complete, the OU tier completes a suspect test and one of the Pokemon we make assumptions on early in the CAP is removed. For example, the argument for Ghost/Dragon involved the inability of Dugtrio to trap it. By the time Pajantom was complete, Arena Trap was banned in OU. The same has been true of bans like Mega Metagross, which could be handled somewhat ably by Pyroak and Cyclohm despite being an unbalanced terror in OU.
Nonetheless, this is not a discussion that should be taken lightly. Each CAP is built for a balanced metagame of some kind, and if we decide our own parameters for balance, we need to do so with good reason. We try to modify CAPs minimally while ensuring they are not too unbalanced for our own tier.
Should we do this, I believe we ought to have a different sort of mentality on tier governance because CAP’s main thrust is we can balance a metagame via addition rather than subtraction. We can’t, however, mandate a “balance concept” for the next CAP. Another option is to do a personal consideration for each OU Suspect to see if that suspect also unbalances the CAP metagame.
This would be a very serious and significant branching out for CAP. Please bear that in mind as you discuss.
Please note that whatever the outcome of this thread, CAP 24 will exist with our current ruleset (including any OU supsect test results) in effect.
IF we decide to do anything, the implementation process will take place independently of any ongoing or upcoming CAP Project.