For Pokemon that learn Rock Smash as the only fighting type move that they can physical attack with, could Rock Smash work? Or would a STAB'd attack of the same type as the Pokemon using it be better?
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Rock Smash?
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EDIT: I forgot it was nerfed.
It's only used on Absol against Aggron and Probopass in UU, and only if it has Swords Dance to go with it. =/ It also reduces defense, but it really depends on the situation. That's the only use I can think of atm.
It's only used on Absol against Aggron and Probopass in UU, and only if it has Swords Dance to go with it. =/ It also reduces defense, but it really depends on the situation. That's the only use I can think of atm.
Ah, I've considered using Rock Smash on my Dugtrio. Though, wasn't sure whether or not I should do that.
No, it has EQ for steels, it's neutral on Skarmory, it traps Blissey anyways, and Porygon-Z has Ice Beam to kill it. It doesn't have good boosts to back it up.
Rock Smash has 40 Base Power and 100% accuracy. It could work, it'd certainly be misleading and throw them off as a surprise.
Dug doesn't want to waste a moveslot for something useless. It's fine if you BP boosts to Dugtrio and trap the opponent (which in itself leads to a nice strategy), but it has poorer attack than a lot of other things (which brings us back to Absol) and it has nothing to use it effectively against.
Why would you use it on Dugtrio?
super effective Rock Smash: 80 damage
neutral Earthquake: 150 damage
not very effective Earthquake: 75 damage
So what does Rock Smash hit Super Effective that Earthquake does'nt hit neutral?
Absol uses it for Tyranitar and Aggron.
super effective Rock Smash: 80 damage
neutral Earthquake: 150 damage
not very effective Earthquake: 75 damage
So what does Rock Smash hit Super Effective that Earthquake does'nt hit neutral?
Absol uses it for Tyranitar and Aggron.
Now your on to something.
I used BulkySpinner Hitmontop on Shoddy. 90 BP force switching attack combined with Stealth Rock is useful.
qft if they have a nice boosting move.
It's not so awful on Dunsparce. With Serene Grace it has 100% chance of dropping defense, and is useful to hit the Rocks and Steels who otherwise completely wall him, not to mention making your Headbutts hurt more on other stuff.
I guess it's pretty decent on Hitmontop too, as it hits the very respectable 90 BP with STAB and Technician, and has that cool 50% chance of defense drop to force some switches, but Intimidate would probably force alot more switches overal
And I guess it's usuable on anything that doesn't have a real Fighting attack, but still needs one for tar / Rock / Steels depending on the tier
I guess it's pretty decent on Hitmontop too, as it hits the very respectable 90 BP with STAB and Technician, and has that cool 50% chance of defense drop to force some switches, but Intimidate would probably force alot more switches overal
And I guess it's usuable on anything that doesn't have a real Fighting attack, but still needs one for tar / Rock / Steels depending on the tier
Rock Smash is pretty awful. The only, only use I can see for it is so that Absol can do a little damage to Aggron. Absol should never use Rock Smash to defeat Tyranitar or Weavile, as they are inferior to Iron Tail on both counts. Yes, the mighty Iron Tail.
Adamant 252 Atk Absol Rock Smash vs 252/0 Tyranitar - 45-53 percent
Adamant 252 Atk Absol Iron Tail vs 252/0 Tryanitar - 55-65 percent
Iron Tail has 200BP against Tyranitar with a 30 percent chance of lowering his defence. Rock Smash has 160BP against Tyranitar with a 50 percent chance of lowering his defence. Sure, there's the accuracy issue, but if you're using Absol then you're gonna need a bit of luck anyway.
Adamant 252 Atk Absol Rock Smash vs 252/0 Tyranitar - 45-53 percent
Adamant 252 Atk Absol Iron Tail vs 252/0 Tryanitar - 55-65 percent
Iron Tail has 200BP against Tyranitar with a 30 percent chance of lowering his defence. Rock Smash has 160BP against Tyranitar with a 50 percent chance of lowering his defence. Sure, there's the accuracy issue, but if you're using Absol then you're gonna need a bit of luck anyway.
I'd rather Mach Punch/Triple Kick than Rock Smash on Hitmontop personally.
Seriously, Rock Smash is almost never useful. It's a "last resort" move, and unless you understand that, don't think about using it.
Yes, but factor in the 50% Defense Drop and it's stronger overall.
The only time I've seen it is what Anti said, on Linoone, as a way to get past Aggron and hope to god against Golem, as it got it's HPFighting taken away from it. This is all in "UU" of course.
Phuquoph outlined in the Absol analysis that Rock Smash is kinda viable on it when using it in standard, because it can get rid of Tyranitar, Weavile and Houndoom pretty easily (forgot the KO rates). After all, against the first two, 160 effective BP is about as good as it gets, and 80 BP is still better than nothing against Houndoom. Not better than Return's 102, but then he really loses against Tyranitar.
Rock Smash is a Fairly Good move
If you think about it, Mach Punch has the same Power, except, it attacks first.
Rock Smash is good if you need to TRAP your opponent, and Lower his/her defenses
If you think about it, Mach Punch has the same Power, except, it attacks first.
Rock Smash is good if you need to TRAP your opponent, and Lower his/her defenses
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