SJCrew said:
Finally if you guys are so offended by my use of broad generalizations, counter them and call it a day. This isn't the place for any personal discussion.
Here are your arguments:
The point is that you guys fail to see you're speaking for a larger group than the handful that's supporting this motion. The majority wanted those suspects banned and the majority still does.
First point is accurate, and second point is baseless. How do you know what the majority wants now?
Regardless of which suspect you want unbanned, it's still complete folly; they were all deemed too powerful for the UU tier because we voted for them to be banned. Even if you ignore some of the obvious statistical advantages, just playing games with those suspects should be enough to tell you that they do not belong in UU.
Subjective argument that doesn't prove anything; if they're obviously broken, then there would be no argument at all.
Even if it has to come down to the "majority" thinking that UU is boring and they want to shake things up a bit with overpowered Pokemon, I'm going to go against the grain and say you're all flat out wrong.
First you say:
The majority wanted those suspects banned and the majority still does.
Now you're "going against the grain". At the very least, you don't seem to be as certain as before in regards to your assumptions about the majority. Pretty inconsistent argument.
We worked hard to balance this tier and we finally got what could be considered a stable metagame. There's really no reason to tread on dangerous waters by seeing if the broken Pokemon are still broken. This is one of the worst ideas I've seen come out of Smogon, and even the newbies that know absolutely nothing about this game have tame suggestions compared to this.
Completely subjective.
Right now, I'm just going to bank on Jabba and Reach sticking to their word that this isn't going to happen. As long as they're the only two sane ones in all of this, I'm not all that concerned with everyone else's viewpoints.
Ignoring everyone else...
Those average/good players (who I may add weren't part of the majority that voted them BL) don't have a clue what they're talking about then...lol. It's always "my team has no problems with X suspect because I'm running a very specific combination of Pokemon that allows it to beat it" OR "most of the people who used said suspect, including myself, are completely incompetent with it".
Inaccurate perception of / complete ignorance of opposition's arguments.
You have the best special sweeper in UU that basically sweeps the shit out of everything save for three Pokemon,
Description + hyperbole.
and the best supporter in UU that makes it easy as hell for anything in UU to sweep...then takes down a Pokemon with it for free.
Description + hyperbole. Ignoring the fact that there are ways to circumvent this, plus the fact that half of this description reference Spikes.
Do you see anything else in UU doing this or did I miss something? You're fooling yourself if you think anything in BL coming back is going to promote anything resembling balance, especially since things are perfectly fine as is.
Again your own personal view.
I'm pretty sure that a lot of good players fall under this category.
Another baseless assumption.
You can't "ignore" Spikes and Froslass even sets them up on Venusaur, the most used Pokemon in UU.
If Froslass is so threatening, then why was Venusaur used so much? This point is irrelevant; the metagame would've shifted in another direction if Froslass setting up on Venusaur was that problematic.
Most conventional offensive teams had absolutely no way to stop Raikou and if you opt to employ one of his three "solid" counters, one of four things is likely to happen:
"Conventional" is not an argument; if they're dismantled by Raikou, they shouldn't be the norm. As for "solid counters", there are more than three of them.
1) Dugtrio comes in on the revenge or a predicted Tbolt and Raikou is removed from the game.
2) Raikou is the Sub CM variant and Dugtrio comes in on the Sub, dying to either HP Grass or switching to another Pokemon, risking the chance of allowing Raikou to set up.
3) Raikou is holding a Shuca Berry and Dugtrio dies to his HP of choice.
4) Registeel and Chansey attempt to wall him, but are met with your own Dugtrio and are removed from the game.
There is no fifth option, that's it. Raikou was undoubtedly the best special sweeper in UU at the time and a counter for him depended on his HP of choice, which you have no way of knowing. If you're wrong about his variant, you'd better have counter #2 and Shed Shell, or you're not going to stop it short of getting lucky.
Venusaur, Steelix, Torterra, Rhyperior, Umbreon, Raikou, and Claydol are further checks, just to name a few. No, you're not going to know its Hidden Power, but there are several combinations of just two Pokemon whom Raikou will not be able to circumvent due to the restriction of one Hidden Power.
tl;dr - all your arguments are baseless save for the last one, and how can you argue against baseless arguments?