Myzozoa
to find better ways to say what nobody says
1. racism=/=exclusion
2. how would you go about showing that 'racism' has always existed or even that exclusion has always existed in human societies?
is your definition of a society predicated on exclusions? mine probably is, but i fail to see why exclusion=/=racism. like if i dont want to talk to you because youre dumb, for example, it may be appropriate to exclude you from conversations in which matters requiring critical deliberation are discussed. that isn't racism tho, sorry.
racism and capitalism (i.e imperialism/colonialism, see lenin, unless ur actually an uncultured swine) actually emerged at the same historical moment, when we are talking about racism we mean something that is bounded from the inception of european colonialism from the renaissance until now. Over time, from discourses of geographical determinism, and the religious/ colonial discourses, racism became codified in new pseudo-sciences such as criminology, psychometry, and phrenology, and in the law and economy through institutions such as slavery, (the police as slave catchers, and overseers on the plantation).
Our current political system, since the USA gained hegemony following the decline of the british empire in the late 19th century, follows a 'new' colonialism. Familiar racist tropes brought to bear on new contexts. The new colonialism is more inverted, and subtle, preferring affective manipulations and economic exploitations to holding direct political control over a territory. Nonetheless, the economic systems established according to the logics of racism persist as, examples, monocultures across latin america, unstable national boundaries drawn according to colonial-era spheres of control, the discourse of nationalism itself incorporates (like a corporation over a territory, the british east india company has evolved into Shell, Chevron, Chiquita and Dole) a hierarchy, a state beholden to nation of singular identity (israel, apartheid south africa, america in the declaration of independence).
Hitler was able to make his anti-semitism convincing as an economic argument. The history of slavery in the united states was about an economic interest and the willingness to confront it.
again this is not a matter of philosophy
we are not talking about whether racism and capitalism can be said equivocally, but pointing out they have the same being historically, into the present.
racism is not an attitude, it is systemic. it is calculated, or I would even say, it informs the calculation itself.
idk why, or even if, it is really so hard to review history, but i do know how easy it is to turn to silly philosophizing as a practice of denial.
so
for the third time in this thread
https://sph.umd.edu/sites/default/files/files/Harris_Whiteness as Property_106HarvLRev-1.pdf
2. how would you go about showing that 'racism' has always existed or even that exclusion has always existed in human societies?
is your definition of a society predicated on exclusions? mine probably is, but i fail to see why exclusion=/=racism. like if i dont want to talk to you because youre dumb, for example, it may be appropriate to exclude you from conversations in which matters requiring critical deliberation are discussed. that isn't racism tho, sorry.
racism and capitalism (i.e imperialism/colonialism, see lenin, unless ur actually an uncultured swine) actually emerged at the same historical moment, when we are talking about racism we mean something that is bounded from the inception of european colonialism from the renaissance until now. Over time, from discourses of geographical determinism, and the religious/ colonial discourses, racism became codified in new pseudo-sciences such as criminology, psychometry, and phrenology, and in the law and economy through institutions such as slavery, (the police as slave catchers, and overseers on the plantation).
Our current political system, since the USA gained hegemony following the decline of the british empire in the late 19th century, follows a 'new' colonialism. Familiar racist tropes brought to bear on new contexts. The new colonialism is more inverted, and subtle, preferring affective manipulations and economic exploitations to holding direct political control over a territory. Nonetheless, the economic systems established according to the logics of racism persist as, examples, monocultures across latin america, unstable national boundaries drawn according to colonial-era spheres of control, the discourse of nationalism itself incorporates (like a corporation over a territory, the british east india company has evolved into Shell, Chevron, Chiquita and Dole) a hierarchy, a state beholden to nation of singular identity (israel, apartheid south africa, america in the declaration of independence).
Hitler was able to make his anti-semitism convincing as an economic argument. The history of slavery in the united states was about an economic interest and the willingness to confront it.
again this is not a matter of philosophy
we are not talking about whether racism and capitalism can be said equivocally, but pointing out they have the same being historically, into the present.
racism is not an attitude, it is systemic. it is calculated, or I would even say, it informs the calculation itself.
idk why, or even if, it is really so hard to review history, but i do know how easy it is to turn to silly philosophizing as a practice of denial.
so
for the third time in this thread
https://sph.umd.edu/sites/default/files/files/Harris_Whiteness as Property_106HarvLRev-1.pdf
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