I don't think I worded myself clearly. If people have an ring related wincon(whether it be an ice beam freeze, twave para or full confusion with swagger) people are going to go for it. And yes twave has competitive viability, but so does swagger. Self swaggering may not be very relevant but it still exist and has been used in the past in tour environments. You can deal with swagger by switching out, and swagger can miss, which can't have the same thing said for twave, but idk why I care there are only 2 months of oras left anyway