Need Help With Playing Against TR

[Checkmater]

Some approximate logs

[Some time more than 1 week ago]#Mizuhime: trick room is really easy to prepare for and beat and I think it's overrated


plz halp then

 

[13ulbasaur]

Phasing moves, Taunt, fishing for flinches, Fake Out + super effective hit, strong double targets are ways to stop TR from being set up in the first place.

good Trick Room players will often be able to get the Trick Room up regardless, that's where Trick Room check Pokemon (Amoonguss being a prime example) or bulky Pokemon in general come in play to help handle the opposing team while Trick Room is up, or just be able to take the onslaught of hits until its over. Protect stalling turns of Trick Room is also important, and making sure you have something out to check their Trick Room setter if its still alive when trick room runs out.

also I think you're supposed to have permission to post threads

 

[Stratos]

nah u dont need permission to post threads though this could probably have gone in SQSA

a good anti-tr combo for offensive teams is skymin + kang; most tr teams rely on fake out to beat skymin so packing ur own fake out makes it much harder for them to deal with the grass (BAN ME PLEASE) before trick room goes up.

things that are generally good vs tr: serene grace flinchers, strong dark/ghost attackers, spore users (not super great cuz tr really preps for these now), sub users (esp aegislash), fake out (mostly kang because weav/ape are frail and scrafty doesnt rly work on non-tr teams), taunt users (especially where they wouldnt be expected), and pokes that outslow common trick room team pokes though these can often be hard to use on teams which aren't TR themselves.

 

[Bughouse]

Generally strong Dark types are your easiest bet to fit on any team. Hydreigon or Bisharp are obvious. Sub Aegislash is amazing for it too, as is LO Aegislash (and somewhat Gogs Aeg if Amoonguss is your main problem). Genesect is good too. Quash Sableye. Talonflame. Azumarill. Your own TR to reverse. Plenty of Protect never hurt either. Sash mons frequently can be useful too.

Beyond that the biggest thing is playing aggressively to keep TR from going up, or once it does, being primed to take advantage of it the turn TR wears off.

 

[finally]

keep in mind on the last turn of their tr, the person will try switching in a tr setter

 

[Haruno]

Roar cune.

 

[Silverwhiteblue]

roar is actually smthg i have been hearing about lately to stop it. u can roar them faster than they can set up tr, so maybe roar keldeo or stuff if u can spare the moveslot. not much to add to whats been said above. hydreigon and aegislash pair and do well vs tr teams so maybe include them

 

[Checkmater]

the issue I find with roar is that it does what taunt does but is more specific, the only specific case I can think of where roar>taunt (in general) would be something carrying mental herb

 

[Checkmater]

And good tr players will often predict taunt/roar and tect it while switching or redirect it, or predict taunt and just attack

 

[kamikaze]

Cool thing about roar is that protect doesn't stop it

 

[Bughouse]

Oh well if you want to beat fangame specifically, Stealth Rock works wonders if he tries to use Chandelure mid game, while anything multi hit can ruin it turn 1. Fake out lead + Mega Heracross comes to mind.

Not that I recommend using Mega Hera ever... But it does wreck his standard build.

 

[Fangame10]

Need help with playin checkmater, advice pls.

 

[ryo yamada2001]

Need help with playin checkmater, advice pls.

bring bisharp and mega-metagross, he'll tilt so much that he will give up

 

[Checkmater]

bisharp is such a SOFT CT to trick room it's not even funny

jesus christ

 

[Derivatives]

in trick room bisharp kangaskhan and thundurus are the nazis, skymin is hitler, and everything setting trick room is jewish. all of the attacking mons however are french and can help the setter hide from air slash flinches and taunts.

 

[Stratos]

If the post quality in this thread doesnt pick up fast im going to kill you all

Edit: i just deleted like 10 posts

 

[ryo yamada2001]

Arcticblast

maybe when you update the teambuilding compendium you could add a list of trick room checks or something? just a suggestion

 

[megacyber]

Bisharp alone really isn't enough to check tr. You ready have to be able to beat the classic cress + scrafty lead to be able to beat tr consistently, and Bisharp can't do that alone. Fast fake out and offensive pressure and or taunt is the best way to do it. That's one of the reasons why kang is so good against tr; it does both the aforementioned roles, and can tank scrafty's piss weak drain punch. It's a shame there are only a handful of viable fake out users.

 

[Cheryl.]

Use Banded Escavalier and take advantage of TR and kill everything.

 

[Fangame10]

Use Banded Escavalier and take advantage of TR and kill everything.

you'd think that Camerupt and Chandelure aren't a thing in TR :\.

 

[Fangame10]

Bisharp alone really isn't enough to check tr. You ready have to be able to beat the classic cress + scrafty lead to be able to beat tr consistently, and Bisharp can't do that alone. Fast fake out and offensive pressure and or taunt is the best way to do it. That's one of the reasons why kang is so good against tr; it does both the aforementioned roles, and can tank scrafty's piss weak drain punch. It's a shame there are only a handful of viable fake out users.

I strictly never run cress first and people who do run cress turn 1 are not good TR players.It's basically asking the opponet to kill cress after the first few turns. Cress is a late game setter

Stratos can confirm