I appreciate your thinking about the strategic progression of the meta, but I think you're reasoning is a bit short sighted. Just going off of the sample team posted above:While this metagame hasn't even been coded yet and it has just been a day. Maybe this is my lack of creativity, but I can't think of any other teams that would be successful other than stall teams. I've been looking at some physical/tank Pokemon who have a good special movepool but it's nothing we don't see in the OU metagame Also thanks to team preview we can look up there strategy
Example: Machamp in slot 4 with mewtwo as the God. As the opponent I know he is probably a mixed wall breaker with focus blast.
Pokemon with high attack and high special attack is nothing new we haven't seen before (Deoxys-a being the exception.) Thanks to Megas and Gen V stat buffs. With Pokemon gaining huge defense boosts from giratina/Lugia/arceus this makes it easier to wall then. At least from Metagames of the month we are not used to seeing a sabeleye with 150 base HP. Scizor with a huge Spdef buff while keeping its other stats. Im going to just assume blissey will be banned, otherwise no reason to NOT run stall.
Unless I'm mistaken, team order decides what stat the Uber passes. Therefore, the fourth Pokemon at Team Preview on a Kyurem-W team also gets 170 SpA.I appreciate your thinking about the strategic progression of the meta, but I think you're reasoning is a bit short sighted. Just going off of the sample team posted above:
252+ SpA Life Orb 150 Spa Ludicolo Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Blissey in Rain: 329-387 (46 - 54.2%) -- 5.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery.
I mean, geez, THE special wall of the game is pressured by a neutral Ludicolo. Don't forget that literally anything with a boosting move and decent speed is now a huge threat to stall.
If I had to predict, I think this meta will lean more towards bulky offense where tanky stuff like Ttar or frail speedsters like mega sceptile will appreciate the boost to speed and survivability.
What is stall going to want to do against subseed mega abomosnow with 120 speed? I believe there will be lots of threats, just need to look a little deeper.
Maybe Blissey will be broken. Then we'll ban it. Idk right now
Edit: just as an aside, I think it is absolutely necessary that the opponent knows the stat distribution, otherwise trying to guess which Pokemon gets 170 Spa on a Kyurem team would be a freaking nightmare.
Yup you're correct. I explaining to them why I chose to have it set this way to begin with.Unless I'm mistaken, team order decides what stat the Uber passes. Therefore, the fourth Pokemon at Team Preview on a Kyurem-W team also gets 170 SpA.
That calc shows an EV spread which is suboptimal, you're better off with 4/252/252 since your HP stat is massive.I appreciate your thinking about the strategic progression of the meta, but I think you're reasoning is a bit short sighted. Just going off of the sample team posted above:
252+ SpA Life Orb 150 Spa Ludicolo Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Blissey in Rain: 329-387 (46 - 54.2%) -- 5.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery.
I mean, geez, THE special wall of the game is pressured by a neutral Ludicolo. Don't forget that literally anything with a boosting move and decent speed is now a huge threat to stall.
If I had to predict, I think this meta will lean more towards bulky offense where tanky stuff like Ttar or frail speedsters like mega sceptile will appreciate the boost to speed and survivability.
What is stall going to want to do against subseed mega abomosnow with 120 speed? I believe there will be lots of threats, just need to look a little deeper.
Maybe Blissey will be broken. Then we'll ban it. Idk right now
Edit: just as an aside, I think it is absolutely necessary that the opponent knows the stat distribution, otherwise trying to guess which Pokemon gets 170 Spa on a Kyurem team would be a freaking nightmare.
I would say that Deoxys-D is a better donor in most ways than Aegislash, having higher stats across the board except a 10 BST difference in HP. The only reason to pick Aegislash over Deo-D would be to use Aegislash itself, which is definitely useful. This one would be a tossup between whether someone wants to use the higher stats and get Deoxys-D or lower stats with Aegislash. Both seem usable imo, and it's totally personal preference for this one.Aegislash also gives some serious bulk, with the ability to also serve as a way of providing damage presence on stall teams
I would definitely use Swellow over Exploud in this situation. Swellow is significantly faster and retains STAB Scrappy Boomburst. The only things it loses to Exploud is a worse special movepool and less bulk, but its Speed stat more than makes up for it.Exploud (Kyurem-White, fourth slot) for similar reasons to Manaphy, but with Tail Glow being replaced with STAB Scrappy Boomburst. The thought of it is pretty scary, though it may be outclassed due to lower Speed.
After some testing and bug fixing, Gifts of the Gods is now playable on ROM! Battles crash no more! Thx urkerab !EDIT: It's also playable on ROM now!
Thanks for fixing that :PAfter some testing and bug fixing, Gifts of the Gods is now playable on ROM! Battles crash no more! Thx urkerab !
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/rom-giftsofthegods-20207
1. The only setup you used on blissey was Tail Glow Manaphy. The Blissey in that game had no change to its Special Defense. If anything, that's just a testament to Blissey's natural bulk, not a reason to ban it.can we ban blissey and chansey? they are not breakable even after setup. just look at this ffs
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/rom-giftsofthegods-20411
edit: found a bug in the code its taking diancie as my leader apperantly
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/rom-giftsofthegods-20416
While that replay does an excellent job of showcasing frankly disgusting bulk, your team wasn't THAT well prepared to beat Blissey, and you also seemed to take the stats of non-mega Diancie (252 Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird (100 Atk) vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Blissey (130 Def): 147-174 (22.5 - 26.6%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery). Stallbreaker berd would probably have done a better job.can we ban blissey and chansey? they are not breakable even after setup. just look at this ffs
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/rom-giftsofthegods-20411
edit: found a bug in the code its taking diancie as my leader apperantly
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/rom-giftsofthegods-20416
Stall breakers do work against blissey but jellicent is not a reason. You can add any Pokemon with taunt+recover and they force blissey to switch out. But as Chopin said there is no reason to NOT run blissey in the 3rd slot. Also towards jellicent shutting it down... good luck not switching into toxic and we'll see how long that jellicent lasts.My Blissey thing is Jellicent. It's also the main reason I think Blissey shouldn't be banned. Jellicent may not be as much as wall as Blissey, but Jellicent puts and end to it, as well as Blissey (Heal Bell) making Blissey rendered useless against Jellicent, as well as it CAN take down talonflame. And the amount of things that can beat it, to me, should be it not be banned.