Ah remembers me the good times when people thought Corviknight was "we have Skarmory at home".
How much times change.
Also remember when people thought Spectrier would be shit? good days sons
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How much times change.
Also remember when people thought Spectrier would be shit? good days sons
Ok, I FINALLY caught up with all the posts for today. Can't wait to do the same tomorrow. 
me rn
Personally, I'm torn at the moment. I think I'll wait and see what the Shinies for the paradoxes look like, as one of my favourite things about Salamence is the shiny palette.
Huh, the summoning ritual worked after all. Might try it myself later if I need to.
Stop. Please. Enough about the bird.
It takes me F O R E V E R to catch up, sometimes I wonder if this thread is even worth the trouble...
I know literally nothing about the subject at all, but yes. Yes, it very much does. And now I hate it. Why did you mention this. I wanted to like the Misdreavus form. Now look what you've done.
Add to this on paper it has better bulk than any of the other Fire/Ghost. Since the ones that have better defensive stats (Marowak with 110 Def & Chandelure with 90 in both defenses) have substantially lower HP. Plus stuff like the inevitable Will-o-wisp can let it take more physical punishment.
Wrong spread for its typing? Fire/ghost is a solid typing both ways. Good bulk, good resistances, and ability. All it needs is reliable recovery.
As an aside, a pet peeve personally is mentioning eq/knock off weaknesses as if they are crippling issues that kill viability. Therevis more to viability than that.
My point was more oriented against the understanding of "good" = "OU", as if the occurrence of one starter per gen getting Protean or something else broken means that that should be taken as the norm.
Quagsire is a good natural comp. But Quagsire has a quintessentially elite defensive typing, Scald (OK this'll be matched by WoW), reliable recovery and doesn't carry the cross of being a defensive Ghost. Mons in that role also tend to want Leftovers so the rocks weakness is very unfortunate. You're right though. It's too early to tell especially without movesets. Reliable recovery on Ghosts is very rare though.
Fast ghosts (>100) with a decent offensive stat (>110) are never bad. Ever. Just click Shadow Ball.
People tend to outsmart themselves in theorymonning. Some of the biggest names in the community insisted Tapu Fini was would never be good because it couldn't status on its own terrain.
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Of the Pokémon we've seen l, the only Grass-type I can see this going to is an Evo of Tarountula. Tho there is also the pepper Pokémon I guess which already has visible seeds.
RoiDadadou
Banned deucer.
Posted this morning, so it's not new, it's probably accurate.
My man Spoopydirge will get Slack Off and y'all will be sorry
https://www.smogon.com/dex/sm/pokemon/mismagius/
not quite 110, but i dont recall Mismagius making a splash anywhere.
Also (mega) Banette
I can see it. Croc aren't known to be fast except in very short bursts.
It's definitely the pepper; the seeds are fairly noticable part of its design since it acts as "teeth"
e: Also i think Tarountula is pure bug anyway?
Honestly Roost or Softboiled seem just as likely because of the bird motif
i feel like even with slack off skeledirge will be a mostly a tech choice for stall. just feels like defensive fire and defensive ghost mons don't have a very good track record even when they do have good attributes, though i do imagine that skeledirge would be really, really good at the things it can wall.
i think it's more that people just fail to see the bigger picture rather than outsmarting themselves. like in spectriers case, people got too hung up on the lack of coverage to realize it learned a ton of annoying status moves and barely needed coverage anyways cause clicking ghost moves is so dumb.
That’s a bug type.
i imagine it’s probably Smoliv’s ability or potentially the pepper.
could also be an ability given to an old Pokémon like Gogoat (who I think is going to be the grassy terrain setter personally)
I think it'd make sense fot the Rock/Poison flower we've seen. Softens equake weakness and explains why the rock poison has a plant in its design
RoiDadadou
Banned deucer.
Why people are debating whether the ability is fake or not because of the remaining Grass-types, when there's literally a fucking pepper and olive on the cast.
It could even get Morning Sun or Moonlight. Since other Fire Types have gotten that and there's precedent for Ghosts with those types of Moves given Pallosand with Shore Up
Mismagius was/is top of UU in DP but was always blocked from rising b/c Gengar. Like you pointed out not at that 110 threshold though obviously the bar is now significantly higher today. There aren't a lot but no Ghost with 110/110 is any lower than UUBL. I would bet my sister (don't have one) Paradox Misdreavus will absolutely be one of the most dangerous threats this gen.https://www.smogon.com/dex/sm/pokemon/mismagius/
not quite 110, but i dont recall Mismagius making a splash anywhere.
Also (mega) Banette
We don't speak about deathpuppet. Cost you a Mega slot and wasn't fast either.
These won't be enough for that role because weather will undoubtedly be a thing like it always is. Pain Split is almost certain, Roost is possible though I doubt it even with the bird. Dirge doesn't seem like the sort to get Strength Sap but it's possible.
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I forgot about Smoliv's final evo but I predict Tarountula to evolve into a Big/Grass-type.
So do we think Victory Dance is likely to be added into SV and if so how likely is it that Quaquaval and Slither Wing will gain access to it?
Yung Dramps
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FISH!!!!!!!
I agree with the sentiment, but I also can't help but look at what quagsire does that skeledirge can't and think quag is just gonna be straight better, skeledirge is an unaware mon that:
is weak to ground (a ton of common setup sweepers run eq)
deathly afraid of knock-off(could really apply to dark types in general especially with the new mence and bisharp evo)
and is rock weak, meaning it can't really afford to run lefties and meaning it hates knock-off even more
all this for walling a few key mons, namely volcarona and potentially sneasler, It'l be a tech, but more avalugg levels of tech rather than tangrowth or ditto levels.
I think it will be in SV and will remain exclusive to Lilligant-H
Oh, that's a fun idea. The rotating parts fling off and attach to the body so its both a fish carcass and a normal fish.
FISH!!!!!!!
It's like if Eternatus wasn't missing its skin and was a fish
FISH!!!!!!!