...Did any of you ban the natural usage of Belly Drum with Extreme Speed? If not, you all haven't solved terribly much here...
...Snorlax still exists. And even if you do have a ghost type, you're in trouble unless you have very strong priority AND keep Snorlax from setting up an easy Belly Drum. (Or manage to burn it)
+6 252+ Atk Snorlax Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Celesteela: 450-530 (113 - 133.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+6 252+ Atk Snorlax Extreme Speed vs. 248 HP / 252 Def Tapu Fini: 364-430 (106.1 - 125.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+6 252+ Atk Snorlax Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Suicune: 333-393 (82.4 - 97.2%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
+6 252+ Atk Snorlax Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 144-171 (43.1 - 51.1%) -- 57.8% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
+6 252+ Atk Snorlax Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 362-428 (108.3 - 128.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+6 252+ Atk Snorlax Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 242-285 (62.6 - 73.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery (because Heatran walls Fire Punch + Seed Bomb)
+6 252+ Atk Snorlax Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Porygon2: 262-309 (70 - 82.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Also, Ghosts. (Crunch OHKOes many of these)
+6 252+ Atk Snorlax Seed Bomb vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Dusknoir: 198-234 (67.3 - 79.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
+6 252+ Atk Snorlax Seed Bomb vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Spiritomb: 232-273 (76.3 - 89.8%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
+6 252+ Atk Snorlax Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Spiritomb: 289-341 (95 - 112.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
+6 252+ Atk Snorlax Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Doublade: 306-360 (95 - 111.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
+6 252+ Atk Snorlax Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Sableye-Mega: 262-309 (86.4 - 101.9%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
+6 252+ Atk Snorlax Seed Bomb vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Sableye-Mega: 209-247 (68.9 - 81.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Even Quagsire struggles to take Snorlax on.
252+ Atk Snorlax Seed Bomb vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Quagsire: 272-324 (69 - 82.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Also, did I mention Snorlax was bulky? (I can expand this section easily, but don't feel like covering all of the powerful attackers in the tier.)
0 SpA Porygon2 Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Snorlax: 62-74 (11.8 - 14.1%) -- possible 8HKO
252 Atk Aerilate Pinsir-Mega Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Snorlax: 255-300 (48.6 - 57.2%) -- 94.1% chance to 2HKO
4 SpA Heatran Lava Plume vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Snorlax: 100-118 (19 - 22.5%) -- possible 5HKO
252 SpA Tapu Lele Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Snorlax: 280-330 (53.4 - 62.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Tapu Lele Psystrike vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Snorlax: 348-411 (66.4 - 78.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
There's much more, but you get my point. Snorlax is a menace with a ton of power and priority, and you all paid more attention to Mimikyu. Nice job. Its only true counter is Unaware Clefable, but that also counters Mimikyu...
Granted, it would basically function like this in standard Trick Room teams, but you only have 3 turns to do stuff at the most, which isn't terribly broken.
...At least you can take it out pretty easily if it needs two turns to work its magic. But it needs only one. And that seems too powerful. (There's also Porygon-Z that I agree is too powerful, but that's for another post...)
...Snorlax still exists. And even if you do have a ghost type, you're in trouble unless you have very strong priority AND keep Snorlax from setting up an easy Belly Drum. (Or manage to burn it)
+6 252+ Atk Snorlax Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Celesteela: 450-530 (113 - 133.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+6 252+ Atk Snorlax Extreme Speed vs. 248 HP / 252 Def Tapu Fini: 364-430 (106.1 - 125.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+6 252+ Atk Snorlax Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Suicune: 333-393 (82.4 - 97.2%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
+6 252+ Atk Snorlax Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 144-171 (43.1 - 51.1%) -- 57.8% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
+6 252+ Atk Snorlax Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 362-428 (108.3 - 128.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+6 252+ Atk Snorlax Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 242-285 (62.6 - 73.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery (because Heatran walls Fire Punch + Seed Bomb)
+6 252+ Atk Snorlax Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Porygon2: 262-309 (70 - 82.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Also, Ghosts. (Crunch OHKOes many of these)
+6 252+ Atk Snorlax Seed Bomb vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Dusknoir: 198-234 (67.3 - 79.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
+6 252+ Atk Snorlax Seed Bomb vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Spiritomb: 232-273 (76.3 - 89.8%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
+6 252+ Atk Snorlax Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Spiritomb: 289-341 (95 - 112.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
+6 252+ Atk Snorlax Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Doublade: 306-360 (95 - 111.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
+6 252+ Atk Snorlax Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Sableye-Mega: 262-309 (86.4 - 101.9%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
+6 252+ Atk Snorlax Seed Bomb vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Sableye-Mega: 209-247 (68.9 - 81.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Even Quagsire struggles to take Snorlax on.
252+ Atk Snorlax Seed Bomb vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Quagsire: 272-324 (69 - 82.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Also, did I mention Snorlax was bulky? (I can expand this section easily, but don't feel like covering all of the powerful attackers in the tier.)
0 SpA Porygon2 Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Snorlax: 62-74 (11.8 - 14.1%) -- possible 8HKO
252 Atk Aerilate Pinsir-Mega Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Snorlax: 255-300 (48.6 - 57.2%) -- 94.1% chance to 2HKO
4 SpA Heatran Lava Plume vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Snorlax: 100-118 (19 - 22.5%) -- possible 5HKO
252 SpA Tapu Lele Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Snorlax: 280-330 (53.4 - 62.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Tapu Lele Psystrike vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Snorlax: 348-411 (66.4 - 78.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
There's much more, but you get my point. Snorlax is a menace with a ton of power and priority, and you all paid more attention to Mimikyu. Nice job. Its only true counter is Unaware Clefable, but that also counters Mimikyu...
Granted, it would basically function like this in standard Trick Room teams, but you only have 3 turns to do stuff at the most, which isn't terribly broken.
...At least you can take it out pretty easily if it needs two turns to work its magic. But it needs only one. And that seems too powerful. (There's also Porygon-Z that I agree is too powerful, but that's for another post...)
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