Weavile doesn't have access to Baton Pass.If you're pretty suspicious of being OHKO'd, just Baton Pass.
Both moves work fairly differently. Ice Punch can take out Latios and Latias while Ice Shard can remove faster, more frail Pokemon like Garchomp, Shyamin-s, and Rayquaza. Besides, having Swords Dance on a Choice Band set just doesn't work.Ahem, Ahem.... 2 Ice moves?!?! I'd say replace Ice Punch/Shard with Swords Dance. If you're pretty suspicious of being OHKO'd, just Baton Pass. But whatever you do, 2 of the same type of moves (Physical/Special/Status and Set-Up Moves) which are both same type (Water,Fire,Psychic,etc.) is FAIL.
Kyogre would just flat out attack, Lugia is mostly a phazer, Giratina is more efficiently killed via night slash. Lati@s is the only viable target.you know, punishment is pretty good in weavile. Kyogre, lati@s, lugia, giratina and stuff are really hurt after CMs. Doesnt change the fact that weavile sucks in ubers though...
And Lati@s are both killed via CBIce Punch. However, after 2CMs Kyogre is 1hko'd with punishment and Giratina is 1hko'd after 3. Of course if they aren't CM sets then you're wasting a slot on your Weavile who already has 4ss.Kyogre would just flat out attack, Lugia is mostly a phazer, Giratina is more efficiently killed via night slash. Lati@s is the only viable target.
As I said before, Kyogre would just attack Weavile. Giratina-A would go for the Will-o-Wisp immediately. Soul dew counts as a calm mind, so it doesn't matter for Lati@s.And Lati@s are both killed via CBIce Punch. However, after 2CMs Kyogre is 1hko'd with punishment and Giratina is 1hko'd after 3. Of course if they aren't CM sets then you're wasting a slot on your Weavile who already has 4ss.
Oh ya, I don't disagree with your statement that its a bad idea, simply saying that if Kyogre of Giratin-A already have 2 or 3 CMs respectively, Weavile can revenge kill them with Punishment before they can act(yay outspeeding).As I said before, Kyogre would just attack Weavile. Giratina-A would go for the Will-o-Wisp immediately. Soul dew counts as a calm mind, so it doesn't matter for Lati@s.
Kinda ironic that bullet punch > heracross once the sub is dead.Although it might be interesting to use weavile to lure OUT forretress then switch in a sub heracross with megahorn, CC, night slash after Tspikes are up to screw up some stall members (*thinks about team*)
Subsalac is the same speed as scarf, but I'd wouldn't trust subsalac due to the fact you'll be low hp, and that's begging for priority moves to hit you.Scizor + Forry is rare, and Heracross is best used as a Choice Scarfer to check Darkrai and revenge kill random dudes like Mewtwo and pals. I'm not sure I would use a SubCross in Ubers simply because of the low speed.
Weavile is only outsped naturally by Mewtwo and Shaymin-s. The only common scarfers that Weavile has trouble against are: Kyogre, Dialga, and Palkia. Shaymin-S and Garchomp easily die to ice shard. Lati@s are also threatened by Weavile easily, as the user could play guessing games between ice shard and pursuit. Weavile's best role is revenge killer with a choice band, which it does quite well. Scizor is mentioned a lot, simply because he's the number one counter to Weavile, as he resists both of his stabs and is only neutral to fighting. Also I wouldn't switch even a support Groudon into banded ice punch. As for switching in safely, I could say the same for Rayquaza, the most deadly sweeper in the tier imo, yet he does his job fine.But that all changes in the Ubers environment, since everything is suddenly faster, stronger, and extremely bulky. There's absolutely nothing in Ubers it can switch in on with a reasonable degree of safety and kill right away. It doesn't even threaten anything in particular besides Rayquaza and Yache-less Garchomp, so don't expect to get much out of Pursuit, which is one of the best reasons to use it in the first place.
All of that and you guys decide to mention Scizor of all things. Give me a break.
Simply put, Weavile has no place in the Ubers environment, since it deals pitiful damage to common Ubers threats and becomes easy setup bait for the many things that force it out.
In my opinion, Scizor is much better than Weavile.Man, I hear the same crap everywhere...Weavile sucks because Scizor Scizor Scizor. If you've ever actually used a Weavile, you know how stupid that argument is.
Fact is, Weavile has no business fucking with Scizor or walls that aren't weak to its STAB moves because that's not its job; its job is to snag guaranteed kills on Pokemon that like to come in constantly and terrorize your team or revenge kill bulky sweepers that are especially weak to its moves. Dragonite, Mence, Gengar, Latias, Rotom, DDtar, Celebi, etc. There's a pretty nice list of things Weavile can kill to justify its use on your team.
But that all changes in the Ubers environment, since everything is suddenly faster, stronger, and extremely bulky. There's absolutely nothing in Ubers it can switch in on with a reasonable degree of safety and kill right away. It doesn't even threaten anything in particular besides Rayquaza and Yache-less Garchomp, so don't expect to get much out of Pursuit, which is one of the best reasons to use it in the first place.
All of that and you guys decide to mention Scizor of all things. Give me a break.
Simply put, Weavile has no place in the Ubers environment, since it deals pitiful damage to common Ubers threats and becomes easy setup bait for the many things that force it out.
Mamo has stab eq, and pokemon is a team effort for a reason. Ice is an offensive type, so defenses are unneeded for the most part.Let's just all realize that no matter the tier ice is probably the worst type in the game, yes including grass since at least grass beats water, which is a good type. Ice has nooooooooooo resistances so even awesomely stated pokes like mamoswine and weavile can't do sh&* because they can never switch in on anything. Being walled by steels, beaten by scizor, and weak to SR is just lots of frosting on the cake.