[QC 0/3] Abomasnow

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www.smogon.com/forums/threads/qc-ready-0-3-abomasnow.3490736/

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[Pros]
<ul>
<li>Despite its mediocre typing, it can scare off threats such as Rotom-W and Starmie with just its Grass-type STABs alone. Rock- and Ground-types also fear switching into Abomasnow.</li>
<li>100% accurate Blizzard as well as the only Pokemon currently with Snow Warning.</li>
<li>Able to annoy opponents with Leech Seed and STAB Ice Shard.</li>
<li>Mega Abomasnow has awesome offensive and good defensive stats.</li>
</ul>

[Cons]
<ul>
<li>Wood Hammer takes a hefty chunk of health if used.</li>
<li>No current access to Giga Drain which leaves Leech Seed and Ingrain for recovery.</li>
<li>Has a plethora of weaknesses - x4 weak to Fire and weak to Flying really blows.</li>
<li>Hail only lasts 5 turns.</li>
<li>Slow; especially after Mega Evolution.</li>
</ul>

name: Leech Seed
move 1: Leech Seed
move 2: Blizzard / Ice Beam
move 3: Substitute / Protect
move 4: Wood Hammer / Energy Ball
ability: Snow Warning
item: Leftovers / Icy Rock / Abomasite
evs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
nature: Sassy / Calm
ivs: 0 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<ul>
<li>Since Abomasnow lacks Giga Drain, Leech Seed is Abomasnow's best option to prolong its longevity.</li>
<li>Abomasnow is set apart from many SubSeeders because it has STAB Blizzard to shut down Grass-type switch-ins. Blizzard also deters threats such as Talonflame and Ferrothorn from a safe switch-in.</li>
<li>Ice Beam offers more PP at a cost of power.</li>
<li>Wood Hammer is your best Grass-type attacking move since it will hit threats such as Vaporeon and Gastrodon on their weaker defense spectrum. This also prevents Rotom-W from a safe switch-in.</li>
<li>Alternatively Energy Ball will help Abomasnow in situations where Will-O-Wisp is a threat to it.</li>
<li>Substitute is great with Leech Seed and Leftovers since Abomasnow will be obtaining its health back. On the other hand Protect can help with stalling out for free HP or scout out for attacks. In the instance of Mega Evolution, it also allows Abomasnow to Mega Evolve safely.</li>
<li>Rock Slide is a fine alternatives to this set since threats such as Talonflame, Charizard, and Volcarona can really hamper Abomasnow.</li>
<li>If you decide to use Abomasite, opt for 0 Speed EVs. This prevents Ferrothorn from breaking Abomasnow's Substitute when using a Sassy nature.</li>
<li>Rotom-W and Abomasnow is an excellent combination. Rotom-W does well at taking some of Abomasnow's notable weaknesses and counters while Abomasnow does well at eliminating Rotom-W's as well.</li>
<li>Abomasnow and Excadrill also make a great pair since Abomasnow hates Stealth Rock and Excadrill appreciates threats such as bulky Ground-types removed from the field. Starmie also works well since Abomasnow at least hampers Grass-types such as Trevenant and Gourgeist. Mega Blastoise also works, though beware Mega Abomasnow and Mega Blastoise cannot be on the same team.</li>
<li>Magnezone handily removes Steel-types that plague Abomasnow. Abomasnow also helps out eliminate Grass-types that trouble Magnezone as well.</li>
<li>Gastrodon makes a decent partner since it can handle some of Abomasnow's weaknesses fairly well.</li>
</ul>

[SET]
name: Offensive
move 1: Blizzard
move 2: Wood Hammer
move 3: Earthquake
move 4: Ice Shard / Rock Slide / Focus Blast / Substitute
ability: Snow Warning
item: Abomasite
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpA
nature: Brave
ivs: 0 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<ul>
<li>This set is a bit more of an offensive approach to Abomasnow. Since it's so slow anyway, Abomasnow might as well take advantage of its bulk in its mega form and focus on investing in HP and an attacking stat.</li>
<li>STAB Blizzard is nothing to scoff at.</li>
<li>Wood Hammer and Earthquake compliment Blizzard for decent coverage.</li>
<li>The fourth slot is merely preference. Ice Shard helps allow Abomasnow to hit first. Rock Slide is mainly to deter Fire-types such as Talonflame, Rotom-H, Volcarona, and Charizard from getting a free switch-in. Focus Blast is Abomasnow's best option to combat Ferrothorn and Mega Aggron. Finally, Substitute helps create a safe zone for Abomasnow to play behind. For example, Modest Rotom-W has a slim chance of OHKOing the Substitute. Ferrothorn will also fail to break the Substitute when Abomasnow has a -Speed nature and 0 Speed IVs.</li>
<li>Alternatively, Abomasnow can run Blizzard / Wood Hammer / Focus Blast / Substitute. This allows Abomasnow to guarantee defeating Ferrothorn without wasting Blizzard's precious PP.</li>
<li>Abomasnow can also forego all HP investment for max Attack and Special Attack. This makes Abomasnow a very difficult Pokemon to switch into safely but also can sacrifice some bulk.</li>
<li>Teammates from set one is about the same as set two.</li>
</ul>

[Checks and Counters]
<ul>
<li>Abomasnow is slow; especially after Mega Evolution. Though its defenses are not too shabby, this makes Abomasnow easy to pick off if it is not behind a Substitute.</li>
<li>Steel-types really plague Abomasnow if it lacks Earthquake. Aside from rare instances such as Ferrothorn and Skarmory, most Steel-types can switch into both of Abomasnow's STABs and punish it handily. Skarmory has to fear Blizzard to an extent, but Brave Bird is good enough to help dispose of the Ice Giant.</li>
<li>Fire-types really plague Abomasnow. Rotom-H, Talonflame, and Volcarona all can switch into STAB Wood Hammer with little issue. Talonflame has priority Brave Bird to shut down Abomasnow while Volcarona can set up on those lacking Leech Seed and Rock Slide without much issue. Charizard X is bulky enough to take a Blizzard and shut down Abomasnow handily while Charizard Y changes the weather.</li>
<li>Blissey doesn't like SubSeed, but it can troll the offensive Abomasnow with little trouble. Abomasnow takes hefty recoil from Wood Hammer too.</li>
<li>Abomasnow has many weaknesses and is prone to status such as burn and poison. Stealth Rock weakness will also keep Abomasnow from switching in too often.</li>
</ul>
 
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All set for QC.

If anyone else has used Abomasnow feel free to add more input. I've added what I could, but I'm sure there are more opinions on what to use and such.
 

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I was about to make an abomasnow thread. Good thing I checked :P
While I'm here, gonna give this a try. (You didn't mention Trick Room at all ;_;)

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www.smogon.com/forums/threads/qc-ready-0-3-abomasnow.3490736/

Birkal did all the work

[Pros]
<ul>
<li>Despite its mediocre typing, it can scare off threats such as Rotom-W and Starmie with just its Grass-type STABs alone. Rock- and Ground-types also fear switching into Abomasnow.</li>
<li>100% accurate Blizzard as well as the only Pokemon currently with Snow Warning.</li>
<li>Able to annoy opponents with Leech Seed and STAB Ice Shard.</li>
<li>Mega Abomasnow has good offensive and good defensive stats.</li>
132 without an item isn't that great.
<li>Destroys common rotom-w/lando-t cores. </li>
</ul>

[Cons]
<ul>
<li>Wood Hammer takes a hefty chunk of health if used.</li>
<li>No current access to Giga Drain which leaves Leech Seed and Ingrain for recovery.</li>
<li>Has a plethora of weaknesses - x4 weak to Fire and weak to Flying and Fighting really blows.</li>
<li>Hail only lasts 5 turns.</li>
<li>Slow; especially after Mega Evolution.</li>
<li>Weak to common priority. </li>
<li>Easily revenge killed</li>
<li>It gives away your mega</li>

</ul>

name: Leech Seed
move 1: Leech Seed
move 2: Blizzard / Ice Beam /
move 3: Substitute / Protect
move 4: Energy Ball / Wood Hammer
ability: Snow Warning
item: Abomasite /Leftovers / Icy Rock
evs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
nature: Sassy / Calm
ivs: 0 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<ul>
<li>Since Abomasnow lacks Giga Drain, Leech Seed is Abomasnow's best option to increase its longevity.</li>
<li>Abomasnow is set apart from many SubSeeders because it has STAB Blizzard to shut down Grass-type switch-ins. Blizzard also deters threats such as Talonflame and Ferrothorn from a safe switch-in.</li>
<li>Passive damage from hail can rack up</li>
<li>Ice Beam offers more reliability outside of hail at a cost of power.</li>
<li>Wood Hammer is your best Grass-type attacking move since it will hit threats such as Vaporeon and Gastrodon on their weaker defense spectrum. This also prevents Rotom-W from a safe switch-in.</li>
Energy Ball does basically the same thing and doesn't give you ridiculous amounts of recoil, which you will be getting if you attack vaporeon and gastrodon. You should be setting up on these guys anyway, not outright killing them.
<li>Alternatively Energy Ball will help Abomasnow in situations where Will-O-Wisp is a threat to it.</li>
<li>Substitute is great with Leech Seed and Leftovers since Abomasnow will be obtaining its health back. On the other hand Protect can help with stalling out for free HP or scout out for attacks. In the instance of Mega Evolution, it also allows Abomasnow to Mega Evolve safely.</li>
<li>Rock Slide is a fine alternatives to this set since threats such as Talonflame, Charizard, and Volcarona can really hamper Abomasnow.</li>
Rock Slide is not for this set, it is for the next one.
<li>If you decide to use Abomasite, opt for 0 Speed EVs. This prevents Ferrothorn from breaking Abomasnow's Substitute when using a Sassy nature.</li>
<li>Rotom-W and Abomasnow make an excellent combination. Rotom-W does well at taking some of Abomasnow's notable weaknesses and counters while Abomasnow does well at eliminating Rotom-W's as well.</li>
Rotom-w cannot take powerful fighting/bug moves too well.
<li>Abomasnow and Excadrill also make a great pair since Abomasnow hates Stealth Rock and Excadrill appreciates threats such as bulky Ground-types removed from the field. Starmie also works well since Abomasnow at least hampers Grass-types such as Trevenant and Gourgeist. Mega Blastoise also works, though beware Mega Abomasnow and Mega Blastoise cannot be on the same team.</li>
Don't even mention Blastoise, no point using a non-mega abomasnow.
<li>Magnezone handily removes Steel-types that plague Abomasnow. Abomasnow also helps out eliminate Grass-types that trouble Magnezone as well.</li>
Magnezone commonly carry hp ice/hp fire, they don't have much trouble with grass types. Abomasnow can threaten common steels with blizzard+earthquake anyway.
<li>Gastrodon makes a decent partner since it can handle some of Abomasnow's weaknesses fairly well.</li>
<li>Slowbro can take fighting, steel, and fire moves aimed at abomasnow, but they share a bug weakness</li>
<li>Heatran absorbs fire attacks aimed at heatran and resists a majority of his weaknesses, and he can also switch in on talonflame. Unfortunately, they share a fighting weakness.</li>

</ul>
Mention that you always go sassy if you plan to use wood hammer.
Tbqh this set is outclassed by venusaur anyway, I dunno if it's worth mentioning.

[SET]
name: Offensive
move 1: Blizzard
move 2:Energy Ball / Wood Hammer
move 3: Earthquake / Focus Blast
move 4: Ice Shard / Rock Slide / Focus Blast / Substitute
ability: Snow Warning
item: Abomasite
evs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Att
nature: Quiet
ivs: 0 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<ul>
<li>This set is a bit more of an offensive approach to Abomasnow. Since it's so slow anyway, Abomasnow might as well take advantage of its bulk in its mega form and focus on investing in HP and an attacking stat.</li>
<li>STAB Blizzard is nothing to scoff at.</li>
<li>Wood Hammer and Earthquake compliment Blizzard for decent coverage.</li>
<li>The fourth slot is merely preference. Ice Shard helps allows Abomasnow to hit first. Rock Slide is mainly to deter Fire-types such as Talonflame, Rotom-H, Volcarona, and Charizard-X from getting a free switch-in. Focus Blast is Abomasnow's best option to combat Ferrothorn and Mega Aggron. Finally, Substitute helps create a safe zone for Abomasnow to play behind. For example, Modest Rotom-W has a slim chance of breaking the Substitute. Ferrothorn will also fail to break the Substitute with gyro ball when Abomasnow has a -Speed nature and 0 Speed IVs.</li>
<li>Alternatively, Abomasnow can run Blizzard / Wood Hammer / Focus Blast / Substitute. This allows Abomasnow to guarantee defeating Ferrothorn without having to rely on blizzard.</li>
Talonflame and Charizard aren't getting a free switch in because of blizzard.
<li>Abomasnow can also forego all HP investment for max Attack and Special Attack. This makes Abomasnow a very difficult Pokemon to switch into safely but also can sacrifices some bulk.</li>
<li>Functions extremely well in Trick Room as a mixed attacker.</li>
<li>Teammates from set one is about the same as set two.</li>
</ul>

[Checks and Counters]
<ul>
<li>Abomasnow is slow; especially after Mega Evolution. Though its defenses are not too shabby, this makes Abomasnow easy to pick off when not behind a Substitute.</li>
<li>Steel-types really plague Abomasnow if it lacks Earthquake. Aside from rare instances such as Ferrothorn and Skarmory, most Steel-types can switch into both of Abomasnow's STABs and punish it handily. Skarmory has to fear Blizzard to an extent, but Brave Bird is good enough to help dispose of the Ice Giant.</li>
The common steel types are skarmory, ferrothorn, aegislash, scizor, genesect mawile, and excadrill. Of these, only scizor and genesect don't mind both earthquake and blizzard, so steel types imo arent' that much of a problem. Talk about fighting/bug types instead.
<li>Fire-types destroy Abomasnow. Rotom-H, Talonflame, and Volcarona all can switch into STAB Wood Hammer with little issue. Talonflame has priority Brave Bird to shut down Abomasnow while Volcarona can set up on those lacking Leech Seed and Rock Slide without much issue. Charizard X is bulky enough to take a Blizzard and shut down Abomasnow handily while Charizard Y changes the weather.</li>
<li>7 weaknesses mean that almost any offensive pokemon can revenge kill abomasnow</li>
<li>Blissey doesn't like SubSeed, but it can troll the offensive Abomasnow with little trouble. Abomasnow takes hefty recoil from Wood Hammer too.</li>
<li>Abomasnow is weak to common priority such as bullet punch, mach punch, and brave bird. Stealth Rock weakness will also keep Abomasnow from switching in too often.</li>
</ul>
Mention Genesect and Scizor specifically; Talonflame cannot come in safely.
 
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