Serious Political Correctness and Race

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I'm torn on this. On one hand I find it to be completely possible that there was racial discrimination but on the other hand Chinese media can be a little bit quick to trigger. Anything taken as an insult or lack of understanding to their nation or people will always spark a huge outcry.

I asked Japanese people about the whole ghost in the shell stuff and most said they don't care as long as the actor is good. I then made the question more specific by asking if they'd be okay with a Korean or Chinese person playing a Japanese character and they said that it would feel a little awkward but they still wouldn't have much of a problem with it so there you go.
Because some Japanese people view themselves as a superior Asian nation on par with the whites
All other Asians are inferior
That is why they findvit awkward if other Asians play it but are completely ok with white people play it.
 
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BenTheDemon

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I know a lot of people hate TJ, but this is a very important issue.

I myself am a white male, and I have experienced this SJW backlash first hand. I once knew a person from a Democratic Socialists club, and she and I were arguing over something (forgot what it was), and she made the comment that I had no room to speak because I was a white heterosexual male. I promptly pointed out that I was not heterosexual, and then she was more willing to hear my stance.

I loathe this influx of anti-white male sentiment because we as a group tend to be more regressive in our beliefs. Though it is true that white men voted in droves for Donald Trump, I loathe the man as much as anyone. Though stereotypes usually have a touch of reality in them, they are far from reliable, and racial stereotypes tend to be the worst type.

My general idea of race is to see it from a scientific angle, which is to say that it is biologically meaningless. In a vacuum, race shouldn't determine anything, but somehow, people like to conform to expectations, and I believe that is the underlying problem. The fact that we even have the idea of race is problematic. We are social creatures, and most people bend to social norms. When we add the tribalistic idea of race into that equation, we create subcultures based on racial norms.

Morgan Freeman explains this quite well.

Another large contributing factor to racism is the fact that human equality is a fairly new idea. In America, at least, there was racial segregation just 50 years ago. There are people alive today that lived in that time. And before even that, slavery was abolished less than 200 years ago, and the average black person is still far less wealthy than the average white person, which is a real factor to racial division that must be addressed. We as a human species must fight our old tribalistic ways. It may seem impossible, but think of how we see rape nowadays? Natural man was very willing to rape, but as we developed civilized societies, we've defeated our old ways of being horny cavemen raping cavewomen. We can do the same with racism.
 

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I'm torn on this. On one hand I find it to be completely possible that there was racial discrimination but on the other hand Chinese media can be a little bit quick to trigger. Anything taken as an insult or lack of understanding to their nation or people will always spark a huge outcry.

I asked Japanese people about the whole ghost in the shell stuff and most said they don't care as long as the actor is good. I then made the question more specific by asking if they'd be okay with a Korean or Chinese person playing a Japanese character and they said that it would feel a little awkward but they still wouldn't have much of a problem with it so there you go.
I find a similar response here-- obviously Japanese Americans have a different take.

However, they still have a problem of "whether the actor was good or not", Scarlet really bombed terribly at being Japanese. Even the actress playing her Mom bombed at being Japanese when the directors had them hug and cry and... obviously not be Japanese.

One of my Japanese friends said, "it wouldn't have bothered me as much except that the core of this story-- even in the name of the movie-- is that the human soul remains even in a machine." So it's a huge failing story-wise for her to "be Japanese" but "fail at acting Japanese."
 

Myzozoa

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http://reductress.com/post/5-times-...tations-about-cops-listening-to-rape-victims/

reductress is too real with these call outs

Season 11, Episode 12 (“Shadow”)

"The daughter of a murdered couple (Sarah Paulson) believes she is being stalked by a man who turns out to be a cop. This cop is actually tracking her suspicious behavior, not groping her and then blaming his behavior on his supervisor, like real SVU officer Lukasz Skorzewski did in August 2016. Protecting and serving the people is just a flashy tagline, not an actual requirement of working in law enforcement. So don’t buy into this fanciful show."



"I'm not really concerned if outside collectives of leftists in other countries support #berkeleyantifa

I'm more interested if #berkeleyantifa is forming links with the local unhoused, Black, Brown community

Someone told me that their friend drove up to Berkeley from LA to be a part of the antifa action....why?

Are there no fascists in LA?

Oooooh I get it.

YOU wanted to get in a fight.
YOU didn't want to organize your community.

YOU wanted to punch a nazi.
YOU didn't want to put in the WORK to defeat fascism as an ideological force.

Violence is the last step we take as a force for social change and only when we don't have other options, when we are left without a choice.

The alt-right must not be normalized
They must be denied any public space

But our community must be organized
That is how we fight
That is how we win
Not as individuals but as a collective, a community."


https://theintercept.com/2017/04/07...edia-and-bipartisan-praise-for-bombing-syria/

"New wars trigger the worst in people: their jingoism, their tribal loyalties, their instinct to submit to authority and leaders. The incentive scheme here is as obvious as it is frightening: great rewards await political leaders who start new wars.

In Federalist 4, John Jay warned of all the personal benefits a leader obtains from starting a new war – which is the reason it was supposed to be difficult for U.S. Presidents to do it:

'It is too true, however disgraceful it may be to human nature, that nations in general will make war whenever they have a prospect of getting anything by it; nay, absolute monarchs will often make war when their nations are to get nothing by it, but for the purposes and objects merely personal, such as thirst for military glory, revenge for personal affronts, ambition, or private compacts to aggrandize or support their particular families or partisans. These and a variety of other motives, which affect only the mind of the sovereign, often lead him to engage in wars not sanctified by justice or the voice and interests of his people.'"

https://www.dissentmagazine.org/art...ism-behind-blue-collar-republican-progressive

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In the name of this more theoretical and even literary conservatism, by the time I started my graduate studies, I was able to criticize liberalism without necessarily defending the George W. Bush administration.

The disastrous consequences of Bush’s two terms as president—the war in Iraq, the sanctioning of torture, his presiding over economic catastrophe—did not immediately lead me to abandon all of my political and intellectual allegiances. What they did do was force me to reexamine the self-satisfied story conservatives told about themselves. Movement orthodoxy instructed that against the tide of statism, contempt for the Constitution, moral relativism, and embarrassment about defending America’s ideals and interests abroad, a small band of intellectuals stood athwart History yelling “Stop!” What began as ideas—especially those found in the conservative journal National Review—became a movement, one that, as the religious right and neoconservatives joined it, would finally achieve political power when Ronald Reagan was elected president. And of course, as the story continued, the Reagan years vindicated conservatism by spurring economic growth and leaving the Soviet Union in the dustbin of history. It turned out ideas really did have consequences.

This heroic tale, so easy to be seduced by, fell apart upon examination. Reading beyond the catechism-like “histories” and hagiographies peddled by those in the movement revealed the rise of conservatism to be a far more complicated, and often more nefarious, development. The potted movement literature brushed aside National Review’s endorsement of white supremacy and segregation, and feigned ignorance of the role of race in conservatism’s ascendency more broadly. Official histories glossed over Buckley’s description of Senator Joseph McCarthy as an heir of the abolitionists; his threatening to punch a “queer” on national television never seemed a problem either. It still barely registers among conservatives that Reagan’s successes often came from resisting people like them: cutting deals with the Democratic Speaker of the House, Tip O’Neill; leaving the size and scope of the federal government more or less as it was; and defying the hawks in his own party who denounced him for negotiating with the Soviet Union. The many conservative organizations dedicated to proselytizing for “free markets” obscure how the economic “booms” supposedly generated by unleashing capitalism—deregulation and massive tax cuts for the very wealthiest Americans especially—have consistently proven to be less durable and widely shared than promised. These are not exhaustive examples."

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This deductive quality of the conservative mind is its most distinctive feature. Certain axioms are true—about the Constitution, about morality, about economics, about our aspirations as human beings—therefore particular policies and courses of action should be pursued. Despite their vaunted claims to grappling with the world as it is, of being mugged by reality, conservatives in America practice a determined anti-empiricism. This is what holds together all the myriad failures of conservative politics: a devotion to first principles that simply must be true, whatever the consequences, and whatever the human suffering left in their aftermath.

The Bush years, then, were not an aberration but a culmination. What mattered to me were not finally the particular instances of bad behavior or misguided political ideas on the right in the early 2000s, but their cumulative force. I came to reject conservatism—fitfully, and without a coherent alternative at hand—because I understood it to be an ideology willfully resistant to reality. The misery caused by George W. Bush and the movement that enabled him mattered both in and of itself and because it revealed the fundamental limitations and failings of conservatism."

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The failure of conservatives to attend to the world as it actually exists, the world in its suffering and hardship, drove me from their ranks. And awareness of how suffering and hardship are so often unchosen and undeserved by those who endure it—and prolonged and deepened by a political system that assumes they are due to failures of “personal responsibility”—moved me to the left. But even more, all this convinced me that turning to class remains the most powerful way to understand and respond to these realities.

It is difficult to imagine another way to explain how, in the same year marriage equality came to all fifty states—a mark of at least one kind of progress—you could read studies showing that death rates for working-class whites were rising, driven by suicide and addiction to painkillers and alcoholism. Or how, almost a decade after the financial crash of 2008, those responsible for the economic devastation are thriving, bailed out with taxpayer money, all while working-class Americans, saddled with debt, try to make do with stagnating wages. Or why, casting a glance at those who depend on government assistance, our politicians blame the morals of the poor for their plight, even as those with power ask our forgiveness for their indiscretions and corruption. Our trade policies, our political priorities, our passion for sending soldiers into the deserts of the Middle East, are best grasped by turning to class: they all serve the interests of those not dependent on wages, or hemmed in by want."

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The bromides of “personal responsibility,” the claims of capitalist efficiency and the dictates of “the market,” do little but allow the adversities of working people to be blamed on themselves. What could it mean to working-class people to be told, as one prominent conservative recently argued, that if jobs aren’t readily available where they live, to load up an U-Haul and just move to where work can be found? Such advice could only be premised on a freedom many do not have: the freedom given by already having the resources to afford the moving truck, to be able to pay the security deposit for a new home to live in, to have the time to look for work while raising children. And this is to say nothing of what it means to leave behind the community you are a part of, to strike out on your own without the help of neighbors and friends and nearby family.

Leaving conservatism behind, then, was like leaving behind my youthful fundamentalism. Both conservatism and fundamentalism assume freedom to be the foundation of our lives, not something limited by environment or resources. Both assume that virtue can conquer the brute force of circumstances. And both condemn us to a world where grace must be earned rather than freely given—a view of life that comforts and flatters the successful but can only prove cruel to everyone else.

A class-based politics acknowledges that we are bound in ways we do not choose; that we are constrained in ways that the exertion of our wills may never overcome. This is not to concede too much to defeatism or despair, but to resist making heroism a requirement for a decent life. Class politics is, finally, a form of solidarity, a way of joining together in our shared fallibility and weakness, and shaping our life together accordingly.

The tired platitude that the young, if they have a heart, should be liberal, and the old, if they have a sound mind, should be conservative, turns out to be wrong. Experience has taught me just how much contingency and chance are responsible for what good has come to me in my life. Growing up has meant an awareness that the struggles of so many are not because they lack virtue or ambition, but because we live in a country stacked against their material well-being and interests. And I know, when I think about what the people I love and so many others have endured, that it does not have to be this way."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...hoot-it-at-protesters/?utm_term=.324d631f868e


"2017: US conducts an air strike in an area where 95,000 human beings live with a bomb that shares the same effects as a chemical weapon and our media bylines froth over how it's 'the biggest bomb ever!!!!'"


lastly:
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Liberals: "But you can create the most change by working within the system..."

Me:
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Myzozoa

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http://stele3.tumblr.com/post/158521101770/asgardreid-asgardreid-nevaehtyler-this-is
"We never outlawed slavery in America. We simply transferred ownership of slaves from individual landowners to the government and large corporations.

Other fun facts about prison labor corporations:

-Federal and state-run prisons usually pay their slaves minimum wage; some states, however, like Colorado, pay $2/hour.

-Private prisons pay $.17-.50/hour. The highest paying private prison is in Tennessee, which pays $.50/hour for “highly-skilled labor.”

-You think that hasn’t affected wages in the US? You think that hasn’t removed manufacturing jobs from the economy?

-Companies that contract with private prisons for their slave labor include: IBM, Boeing, Motorola, Microsoft, AT&T, Wireless, Texas Instrument, Dell, Compaq, Honeywell, Hewlett-Packard, Nortel, Lucent Technologies, 3Com, Intel, Northern Telecom, TWA, Nordstrom’s, Revlon, Macy’s, Pierre Cardin, Target Stores. Many, many products that say “Made in USA” were made in prison.

-Private prisons often have quotas with the states, wherein the states contractually guarantee that they will provide a certain number of prisoners to fill the beds of a private prison, and if they don’t then they owe the private prison millions of dollars. I’m not making this up. It happened in Colorado after they legalized weed.

-States have a financial incentive to lock up their citizens.

-All of the above corporations have a financial incentive to see citizens get locked up.

-This is why Jeff Sessions is going after weed. The prison industrial complex needs slaves.

-To the shock of absolutely no one, private prisons have even more disparate racial demographics than federal/state prisons.

-Where do you think they send undocumented immigrants who have been rounded up? That’s right, private prisons. That’s why so many of them are in the South. So they take immigrants who are earning some kind of comparable wage and paying income tax to the government, and put them in prison where the wages are absurdly depressed and the prison pays virtually nothing in taxes.

-Oh yeah: private prisons pay virtually nothing in taxes. Because they technically manage real estate (prison as housing), they get all sorts of tax breaks and subsidies.

Tl;dr the prison industrial complex removes jobs from the economy, depresses wages, cheats the tax system, and ENSLAVES PEOPLE, usually people of color."
 

Chou Toshio

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Oh man... I just watched a second documentary by Trevor Phillips (who I linked in the OP) and it is absolutely brilliant.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/has-political-correctness-gone-mad/on-demand/62378-001

^Couldn't get the link to play, but if you can find a way to access it, this is definitely worth a watch.

Love the closing mic drop--

"The fear is that trying to muzzle extremists may hand them the power that they crave."

"Banning words and images may make us lefties feel virtuous, but unless you think getting Donald Trump into the white house is a brilliant solution for discrimination and inequality, perhaps we need to seriously re-think our approach to identity politics."
 

Myzozoa

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...e-murder-white-supremacist-muslim-hate-speech

today on things that will not be referred to as 'terrorism'.

it might be possible to read the following as letting white people off so easily, but keep in mind the critique of what is actually happening which is that white collaboration is becoming less thinkable in a political climate where white nationalist rhetoric is legitimated and the legal and social property interest in whiteness is elevated:

"I think the thing that is so striking to me about the young white Reed College graduate (Taliesin Meche) who died as he stood up to defend two Muslim women is just how unlikely and unbelievable his actions were.

This young man's actions feel to me like a significant rejection of the propertied interest in whiteness. The willingness to actually risk your life in an immediate way for someone who isn't a member of your family or even a friend or acquaintance requires a real (non-abstract) appreciation for the value of any life that's not your own. In the U.S. context, for a white person to do this for a person of color who they don't even know is so utterly unimaginable. If he hadn't intervened here, he probably would've died of old age, because there was nothing about who he was that threatened his life or his freedom of movement. He had a mom, he had friends, he had a family, he had a good job. But so do those young Muslim women. They just walk through the world a lot less certain that everything's going to work out for them.

And the reactions of other white people to his actions tell me that the world would be a much better and more just place if we (white folks) didn't approach real sacrifice as though it ought to be the exclusive responsibility of people of color, and if we rejected the idea that our lives, our moms, and our significant others would miss us and mourn us more than anybody else's."

""Okay but what does this have to do with Trump?" asked Mr. and Mrs. Devil's Advocate-Benefit of the Doubt-Wait Till All The Facts Are In"
 
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thesecondbest

Just Kidding I'm First
""Okay but what does this have to do with Trump?" asked Mr. and Mrs. Devil's Advocate-Benefit of the Doubt-Wait Till All The Facts Are In"
The guy who did it was a Bernie supporter so how does it have to do with trump again?
Also here's richard spencer admitting he's closer to bernie than trump
So please do your research instead of spitting out talking points!
 
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The guy who did it was a Bernie supporter so how does it have to do with trump again?

I've seen a lot of Nazis try to push this line, but I don't understand why. Most BernieBros moved on to Trump after Bernie lost, under #BernieBrosForTrump and #NeverHillary and fifty other dopey-ass hashtags, because their claimed economic "Beliefs" are subject to change depending on their personality cult leader of the day (before Bernie, they were with Ron Paul) and only their far-right social beliefs really matter to them. That's not a gotcha; it's a stereotype.

Also, can somebody please explain to me why this Goddamn Pokemon website allows so many Nazis on it?

EDIT: Note that I'm only talking about BernieBros, not Bernie supporters in general. Very different things.
 
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I mean, when you look at how many Centrists and Liberals seem to truly think that debating Nazi's and people with similar ideologies and goals will somehow lead to them suddenly disappearing after saying how bad their ideas are, would you be surprised honestly?

Also, thesecondbest, That really doesn't mean much that he supported Bernie when he decided that trying to harass and assault a Muslim women, and just recently in court, said that he saw it as being a patriot to try and do what he did, and also said "Death to the enemies of America". This reeks of utterly toxic nationalism and hatred that is something that Trump has done nothing but let build and legitimize even more with how he has done nothing to speak out against it in anyway that is actually substantial. Myabe this guy was a Bernie supporter before, but his motives speak very much of someone who supports Trump 100% and follows the far-rights beliefs.

context for what i said:https://twitter.com/davidmackau/status/869672150915043328
 
The full quote is even more blatant:

Nazi bastard said:
"You’ve got no safe place. This is America. Get out if you don’t like free speech." A short time later he yelled: "Death to the enemies of America. Death to antifa [anti-fascists]. You call it terrorism. I call it patriotism. Die."

1. Moaning about "Safe places" while simultaneously demanding one for himself, just like every other Trumpshirt.
2. Moaning about "Free speech" while simultaneously denying everyone else's, just like every other Trumpshirt.
3. Moaning about "Patriotism" while simultaneously jacking off to the end of American democracy, just like every other Trumpshirt.
4. "Death to anti-fascists."

Own. Your. Shit. You. Fucking. Cowards.
 

Ash Borer

I've heard they're short of room in hell
Yo these fucking fascists need to stop saying "free speech." It's really dirtying a nice little right that helps repel oppression, tyranny, and authoritarianism. This is like some black supremacists shouting racist and demanding black-only spaces at non-racist white people; they're trying to inherently moralize their actions by claiming something that's moral (freedom of expression or anti-racism), while doing the exact opposite.

I find this to be a growing linguistic crisis, actually. There are people that will roll their eyes, and see the accusation of racism as a dog-whistle for someone being some kind of SJW tyrant, and also many people that will see that eye roll as a dog-whistle for racism. Likewise you will see people roll their eyes at the defense of free speech (freeze peach), and others see that eye roll as a dog-whistle for being some kind of radical identitarian tyrant.

Words represent ideas that can not be corrupted, but in and of themselves they are tools. Tools that have been abused. How can this problem be fixed?
 

TheValkyries

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Do you think it's ok to force white people off of a university campus for a day?
This is inaccurate. The Day of Absence at Evergreen State College has been a tradition for 40 years where initially faculty members of color inspired by a play with a similar concept decided to spend their day away from campus to let people reflect on their absence. This year yes the day of absence was inverted and white people interested in the event were INVITED to go off campus to take part in various race relations workshops and activities while people of color on campus had similar speakers and things on campus. No one was forced to do anything.

But apparently some professor decided that white people asked to do a voluntary gesture of being mindfully absent like poc had at that school for 40 years was just too fucking much for him to handle and made a whole media buzz about it drawing the ire of those who organized the event. Naturally, the protestors who had not escalated beyond being loud and occupying space had police called on them because whiteness is very fragile.

And now people like you continue to fan pre-baked twisted bullshit at the masses to try and suck your own dick about reverse racism.
 
Do you think it's ok to force white people off of a university campus for a day?
Okay, so i'll put it like this. If white people were actually being forced off of campus as you seem to think happened, then shit would have escalated a whole lot higher then it ever did, and headlines everywhere would be about how this awful horde of black people attacked the poor white campus students and professors or some shit like that. You know this is true if you have read any kind of news headlines involving any protest lead by black people.

Nothing i have seen points to white people being forced out by black people aside from kind of one professor who was so offended at being fucking ASKED to go off campus for one day that he needed to go and act as though he was threatened with violence and was hunted for or some shit. The fact that being asked to leave the campus voluntarily to take part in race relations workshops somehow came across to this professor as being forced to paints a much bigger and damning picture of the professor then the protestors. The professor just sounds like a fragile as fuck white person who gets scared super quickly by black people who are rightfully and fairly protesting and asking white people to take part in something.
 

thesecondbest

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The professor just sounds like a fragile as fuck white person who gets scared super quickly by black people who are rightfully and fairly protesting and asking white people to take part in something.
Except he's not, he's literally a Bernie supporter who used to participate in A Day of Absence and had to leave his college because he saw racist stuff. But you guys just profile everyone who disagrees with you as racist alt right trump supporters, even when the slightest bit of research will prove the contrary. Because it's easier to argue against strawmen than reality.
maybe listen to people you disagree with for a change?
 
..... I never said he was a trump supporter? You're literally putting those words in my mouth and trying to base your argument against me around that entirely. I know how the US would react to black people trying to physically and violently remove white people from a campus would go, and what kind of headlines it would get, and i definitely do not recall any of them appearing. And a white person being fragile isn't fucking limited to Trump supporters. Like, please, strawman my post some more why don't you?

it's actually kinda funny how you seem to assume a white person who supports Bernie couldn't possibly ever be fragile or racist at all. Like, that isn't a good or even valid defence at all, so might help if you stopped trying to push and use ti so damn much

also, seriously? The Rubin Report? Thats the thing you want me to watch to try and listen to the "other side"?

edit: actually, gonna expand on why i think your "listening to the other side" shit in this case is shit. The other side would want us fucking killed. The other side would want what rights we do fucking have taken away and for us to not have opportunities to survive, and die that way too. The other side considers us fucking invalid as human beings and as freaks that should be assaulted and degraded and killed. The other side would laugh at us being hurt and assaulted and degraded and tell us we fucking deserved it.

You want us to listen to the other side and debate with them about our own fucking existence? Fuck You
 
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poc literally removed from voting and power for yrs but wypipo ppl being asked to participate in an event celebrating the day of absence is suddenly racist :mad:

i dn't really understand why ppl like the second best on focusing upon the minutiae of race relations as a response to the systemic [actual racism] commentary in our society, mostly brought forth by myzozoa. any radical tends to not focus on calling anyone "racist" because yr not making any progress in dismantling the axes of oppression tht poc live through.
 

Myzozoa

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Do you think it's ok to force white people off of a university campus for a day?


wall street journal story by a dude tryin to make his career. it's like yall never heard of milo or all the neocon shock jocks. he literally milo-d the protestors to get famous. starting some shit abt theyre victimizing him (how exactly? never becomes clear), then making a viral video of their alleged 'misbehavior'. lol. its directly out of any conservative shock jock's agents' playbook. pick a fight then say they started it, and you get rich when it goes viral, after all theyre just a bunch of college kids they dont have time/money to confront national/international media the way a tenured professor or journeyman lecturer would. theyre easy punching bags, already a frequent strawman or trope to push an ideological agenda.

well sometimes the students do have some media access, but in my experience, there is rarely any benefit for a lowly unfunded volunteer based student org to even try to engage with media.

The administration or the students, will turn to the media according to their disadvantage, whoever is weak attempts to leverage the media, which ever has hegemony (this is a definition of hegemony almost), in the context, has little to gain by drawing attention from outside actors.

Let me think, let me think, yes ,all the interviews of the activists i personally am familiar with, done with mainstream outlets, particularly the New York Times, never went to publish.

It's okay, on the media front, a bunch of ppl who used to the organizing end up submitting to the guardian or being hired full out, so...

Here is what actually happened at evergreen:

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/matt-driscoll/article153694734.html

This year, Powers says, a request was made to change things up to allow participants of color to hold Day of Absence activities on campus, while white participants who chose to participate were asked to remain off campus.

“I think that switch was inspired by a desire to affirm the belonging of students, faculty and staff of color,” Powers told me, while noting that, “Participation in the Day of Absence has always been and always will be entirely optional.”

For perspective, Powers says that about 200 staff, faculty and students — out of roughly 4,800 at Evergreen — left campus to take part in this year’s Day of Absence.

This year’s approach to the annual event is where biology professor Bret Weinstein got involved. In emails that were eventually published by the Cooper Point Journal, Weinstein objected to white students, faculty and staff being asked to leave campus, calling it “a show of force, and an act of oppression in and of itself.”

Which brings us to last week, when demonstrations at Evergreen went viral.

Raw video from the previous day shows demonstrators angrily confronting Weinstein on campus. Some call for his immediate resignation. Others refer to him as a racist. None of it was particularly pretty nor constructive.

To take it a step farther, it was a bad look — a flawed approach, and an example of the kind of thing that makes it easy for naysayers to discredit entire movements.

The showdown eventually earned Weinstein a seat on the Tucker Carlson show, which is not the outlet I’d choose to thoughtfully air my grievances, but whatever. That’s his right.

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once again youre welcome for me googling shit for you

as i type this trump has abandoned the paris climate agreement about an hour ago pretty much putting a lie to any claim, for example made by the author of the mindnumbing wsj bull shit linked by thesecondbest that the sciences are being censored by leftists or scientific progress in theory is impeded by social constructionists or w.e garbage victim blaming shit is being peddled in today's or tomorrow's news cycle, im just gonna ignore it, since the mods cant seem to get it up to delete ur posts atm.

for instance the whiny professor writes... (and oh wow the mods did get it up to delete the post actually, but they left gotr's bait up for some reason):

"Rather, the protests resulted from a tension that has existed throughout the entire American academy for decades: The button-down empirical and deductive fields, including all the hard sciences, have lived side by side with “critical theory,” postmodernism and its perception-based relatives. Since the creation in 1960s and ’70s of novel, justice-oriented fields, these incompatible worldviews have repelled one another. The faculty from these opposing perspectives, like blue and red voters, rarely mix in any context where reality might have to be discussed. For decades, the uneasy separation held, with the factions enduring an unhappy marriage for the good of the (college) kids."

trust me it aint post-modern perceptions that are gonna sink planet earth, but science's capitulation to environment destroying industry lol... well the perpetrators like to blame the victims im told


like i get it thesecondbest

there can never be a scandal, america is gonna be great again, trump can do no wrong and we'll all be fine as long as we retweet him right?

there will always be someone to whisper that there is actually no scandal, this is most effective when done by deflecting the scandal onto a political enemy or to advance an agenda, for example climate change is a hoax and it is actually companies trying to get you into buying bicycles (brought to you from my hometown congressman dana rorhabacher), or scientists trying to find a way to divert funding to research, or w.e it is. you deflect the scandal according to your goals, so if the context is that youre aim is to silence someone, you claim that it is you who are actually being silenced. if youre a white woman about to tell a bunch of people of color that theyre being laid off, you make sure to cry asap if they get angry with you, like bringing the news to them is actually what is really a hardship. this is a maximal deflection that is actually constantly demanded in order to maintain white/right-wing innocence.

it's cool tho i get it, you want that sweet trump money. youll have all the things that u want to, everything in the world, at any price.


since im always trying to teach ppl smthg maybe a concept from social game theory will help some in this thread think more critically, not like yall do anything but play video games anyway, not that there is rly anything wrong with that, so this is a good use of ur time even if u think im full of shit:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM


WIFOM is the circular reasoning that results from trying to determine the choices of an opponent who acted with full knowledge that their behavior would be subject to scrutiny.

The term WIFOM (short for Wine In Front Of Me) is named for this scene in the 1987 movie The Princess Bride:


Westley: "All right: where is the poison? The battle of wits has begun. It ends when you decide and we both drink, and find out who is right and who is dead."
Vizzini: "But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you. Are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet, or his enemy's?"
A Practical Approach

In situations such as the movie scenario mentioned above, one often may try to use what he knows of his opponent to make a better choice. However, in some cases this leads to recursive reasoning. "

This is the linguistic crisis: the perpetrators craft narratives of their own victimhood as part of denying their crimes. They make up their own definitions of racism to obfuscate systemic inequality .The victim mentality characterized the national psyche of germany before the Nazi's seized power, despite their enduring anti-semitism (and biological racism) stemming back for centuries in some parts of germany and the entire country by the late 1800's. Same as white nationalists in america today. They think theyre something new, but theyre the oldest news, theyve been spinning the same yarn for decades. If you resist it or complain about it when shit happens, youre actually at fault, the wrong lies with you, this logic sustains the tragedy.

i dont even care if this post is coherent.
 
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I'm a huge fan of the whole "Science is predicated on the idea of constantly questioning established knowledge and pushing our understanding ever further except for critical theory, critical theory asks bad questions we shouldn't give in to answering those types of questions they're trying to silence us into fake science."
 
What I'm about to say isn't necessarily pertaining to what the current discussion is, but I want to say it anyways.

Why is it hard for people to understand the historical complexity of racism?

Wouldn't it seem like a government that has gone out of its way to screw over black people for centuries is now obligated to go out of its way to do something good for black people? I'm a junior at a predominantly white high school and the amount of complaining about affirmative action I hear from students, parents, and teachers is ticking me way the f off. Sometimes I feel that some white people are so accustomed to being on top that they confuse equality (or progress towards equality, at least) with oppression.
 
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"No, black people. We never bombed Black Wall Street. That's just an urban myth."

"No, black people. We never purposely infected black people with syphilis and then denied them treatment so we could see what effect the disease has on the human body. That's just an urban myth."

"No, black people. We never stole the cells of a black woman, found out her cells were amazing, used them as the basis for every major medical breakthrough the world has ever seen, pretended the cells belonged to a white woman, got caught lying, but still won't compensate the black woman's family. That's just an urban myth."

"No, black people. We never sterilized black women without their permission as a means to keep them from procreating. That's just an urban myth."

"No, black people. We don't kidnap you, kill you, steal your melanin-rich organs, and then pretend like it was just a random, murderous event that had nothing to do with organ harvesting. That's just an urban myth."

http://www.11alive.com/news/local/i...shes-body-found-with-organs-missing/442790328

h/t son of baldwin
 
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