This seems like more general information than how Chandelure stands in the current state of the metagame. We already know the information you have given to us on Chandelure; if you want Chandelure to rise, you have to describe how it stands in the current state of the metagame, not how it functions on a basic scale.
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Don't forget that Chandelure gets Trick, meaning that it can lure in walls like Vaporeon and Blissey and cripple them for the rest of the match!
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I can absolutely agree with this. I had a nice chat with some team building buddies yesterday about how gligar is slowly dying down in usefulness. It doesn't really check anything and it's really easy to deal with. I could see it being dropped in rank.
Soo Jirachi,i forgot about the trick set cuz i almost never use it.Right now it has so good stats and most of the people use scarfed chande,but i like to run specs or Calm mind/life orb set.
What i am looking in the A rank,chandelure except for maybe tentacruel and alakazam if he gets a calm mind,i think that it destroys the A Rank.Energy Ball walls swampert and mega swampert unless in the rain,but let us face it,not too many rain teams are in UU,it walls Krookodile,with scarf set as being able to OHKO,Not to mention it walls Mega Beedrill,without carrying Drill Run.
Lets face it a flamethrower OHKOS a shaymin no matter what set.
It also OHKOs any set of mega pidgeot after 1 calm mind.
It also carries Psychic so after 1 CM it reqs tentacruel.
Overall it OHKOS all the pokemon in the A tier with 2 CM max.
Here are some calcs.
vs tentacruel +1 252+ SpA Life Orb Chandelure Psychic vs. 240 HP / 0 SpD Tentacruel: 390-460 (108 - 127.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
vs mega aggron
+1 252+ SpA Life Orb Chandelure Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 240 SpD Filter Mega Aggron: 579-680 (168.3 - 197.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
vs Alakazam
+1 252+ SpA Life Orb Chandelure Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Alakazam: 632-743 (251.7 - 296%) -- guaranteed OHKO
vs Pert
+1 252+ SpA Life Orb Chandelure Energy Ball vs. 212 HP / 0 SpD Swampert: 998-1175 (253.2 - 298.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
ive already proven my point against mega blastoise in my previous post.
We dont have to say anything against beedrill mega,nor shaymin.
+1 252+ SpA Life Orb Chandelure Energy Ball vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Krookodile: 608-717 (154.7 - 182.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO.
vs Mega Pert
+1 252+ SpA Life Orb Chandelure Energy Ball vs. 212 HP / 0 SpD Mega Swampert: 842-993 (213.7 - 252%) -- guaranteed OHKO.
should we talk about Lucario.
+1 252+ SpA Life Orb Chandelure Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Lucario: 1110-1310 (395 - 466.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO.
vs Queen
+1 252+ SpA Life Orb Chandelure Psychic vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Nidoqueen: 520-614 (135.7 - 160.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
it has a lot of versatile sets to screw mons up,especially offensive sets.You see.Plus 1 and it reeks OHKO.
vs Mega Pidgeot
+1 252+ SpA Life Orb Chandelure Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Pidgeot: 500-590 (162.8 - 192.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
What i am looking in the A rank,chandelure except for maybe tentacruel and alakazam if he gets a calm mind,i think that it destroys the A Rank.Energy Ball walls swampert and mega swampert unless in the rain,but let us face it,not too many rain teams are in UU,it walls Krookodile,with scarf set as being able to OHKO,Not to mention it walls Mega Beedrill,without carrying Drill Run.
Lets face it a flamethrower OHKOS a shaymin no matter what set.
It also OHKOs any set of mega pidgeot after 1 calm mind.
It also carries Psychic so after 1 CM it reqs tentacruel.
Overall it OHKOS all the pokemon in the A tier with 2 CM max.
Here are some calcs.
vs tentacruel +1 252+ SpA Life Orb Chandelure Psychic vs. 240 HP / 0 SpD Tentacruel: 390-460 (108 - 127.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
vs mega aggron
+1 252+ SpA Life Orb Chandelure Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 240 SpD Filter Mega Aggron: 579-680 (168.3 - 197.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
vs Alakazam
+1 252+ SpA Life Orb Chandelure Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Alakazam: 632-743 (251.7 - 296%) -- guaranteed OHKO
vs Pert
+1 252+ SpA Life Orb Chandelure Energy Ball vs. 212 HP / 0 SpD Swampert: 998-1175 (253.2 - 298.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
ive already proven my point against mega blastoise in my previous post.
We dont have to say anything against beedrill mega,nor shaymin.
+1 252+ SpA Life Orb Chandelure Energy Ball vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Krookodile: 608-717 (154.7 - 182.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO.
vs Mega Pert
+1 252+ SpA Life Orb Chandelure Energy Ball vs. 212 HP / 0 SpD Mega Swampert: 842-993 (213.7 - 252%) -- guaranteed OHKO.
should we talk about Lucario.
+1 252+ SpA Life Orb Chandelure Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Lucario: 1110-1310 (395 - 466.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO.
vs Queen
+1 252+ SpA Life Orb Chandelure Psychic vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Nidoqueen: 520-614 (135.7 - 160.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
it has a lot of versatile sets to screw mons up,especially offensive sets.You see.Plus 1 and it reeks OHKO.
vs Mega Pidgeot
+1 252+ SpA Life Orb Chandelure Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Pidgeot: 500-590 (162.8 - 192.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
So ignoring the fact that chandy being able to kill A rank mons with boosts is not a reason to raise it, I want to know what chandy set has cm, psychic, STABS, energy ball, and can "wall" Krook/pert/beedril cause if it doesnt have drill run it has knock off. Also CM chand with LO is really not A rank material it basically fails at what the cm set does best, beating walls. Sub CM is the set I would argue with for a raise because at least that set is one of the best stall breakers in the tier. LO cm is just too slow to do the job you claim it does mostly because it is outsped and majorly injured or OHKOd by quite a few of the mons you listed especially since u are calcing with two coverage moves when in reality you only get one. Honestly I don't feel strongly about where chand should be but your argument is quite flawed and should be changed if you want people to seriously consider the raise.
This is pretty good advice
While I agree that SubCm is probably the best set, Chandy lost a lot of set up fodders with the tier shift. (Celebi, Rachi, etc)
We planned on moving p2 up anyways :]
Also, I think Reuni should go up to A. It's such a great set up sweeper in this meta as it gives absolutely no shits about damaging statuses and is capable of setting up on so many threats (bulky waters, fairies, some fighting types) while having enough bulk to eat up some decently strong attacks. SPL proved it was a beast in this metagame, and I believe it really deserves A rank.
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I may quote Bouffalant on the list of stuff that ought be moved on a later post. Or he can post it here, either way :p
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I think reuni is fine where its at. Psyshock and Focus blast is best set since we have threats like Krookodile and mega Absol around and not a lot of psychic types can do anything to reuni but be set up fodder. Reuni however is walled by doublade and turns into setup bait. Doublade isnt as common anumore but just saying. Guts and Band hera okoe with mega horn. Krooks knock off is a 2hit ko and you have to rely on focus miss. Maybe you can recover on the knock off? Idk. 75 def is only good with the hp. Salamence, Feraligator, and Slurpuff set up and 2hko reuni while reuni 3hkos with stab. Reuni doesnt outspeed much. At plus 1, lo hydra 2hkos and chandelure scarf 2hkos while psyshock doesnt kill. Of coarse you can be meticulous with your team building and or elimating reuni cock blocks. Its not a bad pokemon. Im just reminding you of its common cons. I dont think reuni is A material.
The thing about Reuniclus though is how effective it is about doing it's job. Stall has very little to deal with the CM set and if it wants to deal with it, it usually has to dedicate an entire team slot with something very niche like Taunt Spiritomb or Perish Song Meloetta. So while CM Reuniclus can fall flat against powerful wallbreakers/sweepers like the ones you mentioned, that set's job is to beat defensive teams, not offensive ones (the rest of Reuniclus's team should be able to handle these things as Reuniclus is not meant to handle them).
In constrast, Reuniclus's OTR performs amazingly against offense while still having enough power to put heavy pressure on bulkier teams. Under Trick Room, it's very hard for offensive teams to deal with since it's able to 1/2HKO everything while being bulky enough to avoid KOs from most things that aren't like LO Dark Pulses and Dread Plate Knock Offs (and it one shots Dark types anyway lol). So yeah, what makes Reuniclus so good is its two sets, each of which has a vastly different set of targets and checks, combined with the degree of effectiveness with which it performs each set.
In constrast, Reuniclus's OTR performs amazingly against offense while still having enough power to put heavy pressure on bulkier teams. Under Trick Room, it's very hard for offensive teams to deal with since it's able to 1/2HKO everything while being bulky enough to avoid KOs from most things that aren't like LO Dark Pulses and Dread Plate Knock Offs (and it one shots Dark types anyway lol). So yeah, what makes Reuniclus so good is its two sets, each of which has a vastly different set of targets and checks, combined with the degree of effectiveness with which it performs each set.
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