Oranguru Discussion

[Nexus]

Oranguru
Normal/Psychic
Abilities: Inner Focus / Telepathy / Symbiosis
HP: 90
Atk: 60
Def: 80
SpAtk: 90
SpDef: 110
Spe: 60

Learn Set

Level Up

L1 - Confusion
L4 - After You
L8 - Taunt
L11 - Quash
L15 - Stored Power
L18 - Psych Up
L22 - Feint Attack
L25 - Nasty Plot
L29 - Zen Headbutt
L32 - Instruct
L36 - Foul Play
L39 - Calm Mind
L43 - Psychic
L46 - Future Sight
L50 - Trick Room

TMs

TM01 - Work Up
TM03 - Psyshock
TM04 - Calm Mind
TM06 - Toxic
TM10 - Hidden Power
TM11 - Sunny Day
TM12 - Taunt
TM16 - Light Screen
TM17 - Protect
TM18 - Rain Dance
TM20 - Safeguard
TM21 - Frustration
TM24 - Thunderbolt
TM25 - Thunder
TM26 - Earthquake
TM27 - Return
TM29 - Psychic
TM30 - Shadow Ball
TM31 - Brick Break
TM32 - Double Team
TM33 - Reflect
TM42 - Facade
TM44 - Rest
TM48 - Round
TM52 - Focus Blast
TM53 - Energy Ball
TM56 - Fling
TM57 - Charge Beam
TM59 - Brutal Swing
TM60 - Quash
TM63 - Embargo
TM66 - Payback
TM68 - Giga Impact
TM77 - Psych Up
TM78 - Bulldoze
TM80 - Rock Slide
TM85 - Dream Eater
TM87 - Swagger
TM88 - Sleep Talk
TM90 - Substitute
TM92 - Trick Room
TM96 - Nature Power
TM100 - Confide
Egg moves

Egg - Extrasensory
Egg - Wonder Room
Egg - Psychic Terrain

New Move

Instruct: The user instructs the target to use the target's last move again. -- [Psychic]--, Status.

 

[Cresselia~~]

Looks quite bulky. Telepathy is definitely useful in Doubles/ VGC.
I'm also interested in Instruct.

 

[Project_Mars]

It looks like it has some nice things going for it besides Instruct, so maybe it'll see VGC usage beyond that one niche.

 

[TheTraininator]

Designed from the ground-up as a VGC Pokemon... and you know what? They actually did a good job this time. Symbiosis has always been a gimmick, but Inner Focus and Telepathy are both great VGC abilities, 90/80/110 bulk is really great, and Instruct seems like a very good move. It also can set up Trick Room while being slow itself, (and having a decent special attack of 90 so it can actually do some damage once its set up,) and Foul Play is always a good move for a bulky Pokemon to have. Did I mention it gets dual screens on top of this? I imagine the only reason it didn't get Fake Out is just so it wouldn't be on every single team.

 

[Melons-N-Soda]

Bye bye Girafarig in Singles. Doubles it looks pretty damn cool as well. Moon players actually got the better choice, unfortunate as I picked Sun, but still.

 

[STEELDRAGON]

Other than VGC formats I dont see this pokemon very good. It is mostly outclassed by Meloetta. It has some cool moves like foul play, stored power and psychic terrain but thats about it.

 

[rdjacobian]

How is instruct not a worse encore? Am I missing something?

 

[DrPumpkinz]

How is instruct not a worse encore? Am I missing something?

Encore makes the targeted Pokemon use the same move for the next few turns as if they were holding a choice item. Instruct makes the targeted Pokemon use its most recent move immediately, even if they have already acted that turn. Its main use is in Doubles, where Oranguru can essentially give up his turn in exchange for his teammate attacking twice in one turn. It's sort of like an improved Helping Hand.

 

[rdjacobian]

Oh, I didn't know it caused the attack to happen right after Oranguru's move.

 

[2MN]

yeah, this is going to be a staple. it's not that it's particularly powerful on its own (though it looks like it'd be a solid pick for a special wall in lower tier singles play), but there's too many potential uses in taking your partner's powerful move and doubling it over, and that utility can easily cover any single offensive play imaginable.

this is probably the best competitive-first design gamefreak's ever done, i dig it

 

[ethan06]

worth noting that this gets trick room, which is huge for vgc because of telepathy and instruct allowing it to enable pokemon like mudsdale/gastrodon/vikavolt to spam their earthquake/surf/discharge with impunity. it gets after you as well, which is really nice for helping faster pokemon on your side to function while trick room is up. a likely staple for next year's circuit

 

[Tomrash]

worth noting that this gets trick room, which is huge for vgc because of telepathy and instruct allowing it to enable pokemon like mudsdale/gastrodon/vikavolt to spam their earthquake/surf/discharge with impunity. it gets after you as well, which is really nice for helping faster pokemon on your side to function while trick room is up. a likely staple for next year's circuit

It could also run Inner Focus if your not massive on spread moves. A flinch immune trick room setter is quite nice.

 

[viperGTS]

I'm guessing Instruct doesn't work with Z-Moves, but man that move sounds good anyway. Loving the stat distribution, and it has a decent SpA with access to some cool special moves, along with Nasty Plot.

Looking forward to using this in VGC.

 

[urkerab]

OK, so this is a bit gimmicky, but if you had Oranguru, Oricorio and Volcarona in Triples, could the following happen?

Volcarona used Quiver Dance!
Volcarona's Special Attack rose! Volcarona's Special Defense rose! Volcarona's Speed rose!
[Oricorio's Dancer!]
Oricorio used Quiver Dance!
Oricorio's Special Attack rose! Oricoro's Special Defense rose! Oricoro's Speed rose!

Oranguru used Instruct!
Oranguru instructed Volcarona!
Volcarona used Quiver Dance!
Volcarona's Special Attack rose! Volcarona's Special Defense rose! Volcarona's Speed rose!
[Oricorio's Dancer!]
Oricorio used Quiver Dance!
Oricorio's Special Attack rose! Oricoro's Special Defense rose! Oricoro's Speed rose!

Oricorio still gets its own move too.

 

[GeneralNameless]

snip

I believe there won't be a Triples format in Sun/Moon.

Edit to stay more on topic:

Instruct won't let Pokemon use Z-Moves for a second time, will it? I would imagine it should just fail.

 

[vileguy]

What about the move Quash? I'm not very familiar with VGC, but I love this pokemon so much I'll maybe get into it. Wouldn't making a target pokemon go last have some use? I only imagine it would be hard to fit it into 4MSS.

 

[6ft Torbjorn]

OK, so this is a bit gimmicky, but if you had Oranguru, Oricorio and Volcarona in Triples, could the following happen?

Volcarona used Quiver Dance!
Volcarona's Special Attack rose! Volcarona's Special Defense rose! Volcarona's Speed rose!
[Oricorio's Dancer!]
Oricorio used Quiver Dance!
Oricorio's Special Attack rose! Oricoro's Special Defense rose! Oricoro's Speed rose!

Oranguru used Instruct!
Oranguru instructed Volcarona!
Volcarona used Quiver Dance!
Volcarona's Special Attack rose! Volcarona's Special Defense rose! Volcarona's Speed rose!
[Oricorio's Dancer!]
Oricorio used Quiver Dance!
Oricorio's Special Attack rose! Oricoro's Special Defense rose! Oricoro's Speed rose!

Oricorio still gets its own move too.

It's entirely possible. Or it could happen in doubles (somehow).
Or... what if you could instruct an Oricorio copying a dancing move through Dancer?
hm...

 

[Pignot]

So, what sets would work for singles? EV Spread? Focus on being a special wall? Maybe still function as a trick room setter because of Inner Focus.

 

[Pikachu315111]

Defensive with decent Special Attack but a bit of a dead zone Speed (too slow normally, too fast for Trick Room).

Utilities first, we obviously have Instruct but there's also After You, Taunt, Quash, Nasty Plot, Calm Mind, Trick Room, dual screens, and Substitute. But it has a usable Special Attack for those moments its partner is doing something it can't Instruct them to do again (or for some reason is battling alone) so how about some attacks. STAB has reliable Psychic or Psyshock but you can go for Stored Power if your buffing a lot (it also gets Future Sight though its more of a tool to force a switch). It also gets some coverage with Thunderbolt/Thunder, Shadow Ball, Focus Blast, and Energy Ball. All its Egg Moves also have some use though I imagine most would want Psychic Terrain.

Honestly I think one thing that'll determines Oranguru's use would be if Instruct has negative priority. Now if it doesn't that's not the end, you'll just need to minimize Speed as much as possible and there will be some Pokemon who can't partner with Oranguru. Also the partner being used would determine whether its worth having them move again or would it have been better to just have another strong Pokemon using another move (whether it be another strong attack or a status move to do a set up).

 

[Sheriff_K]

Turn 1:
Oranguru used Trick Room
Wishiwashi used Protect

Turn 2:
Wishiwashi used Earthquake
Oranguru used Instruct on Wishiwashi
Wishiwashi used Earthquake

(And Telepathy protects Harambe from the spread.)

This is going to be disgusting in Doubles.

 

[ChrisWolf66]

VGC 17 Trick Room

Oranguru(Sitrus Berry)
Bold
Inner Focus/Telepathy

252 HP
252 Def
4 SpAtk


Protect
Trick Room
Instruct
Psychic



Thoughts?

 

[ChrisWolf66]

Defensive with decent Special Attack but a bit of a dead zone Speed (too slow normally, too fast for Trick Room).

Utilities first, we obviously have Instruct but there's also After You, Taunt, Quash, Nasty Plot, Calm Mind, Trick Room, dual screens, and Substitute. But it has a usable Special Attack for those moments its partner is doing something it can't Instruct them to do again (or for some reason is battling alone) so how about some attacks. STAB has reliable Psychic or Psyshock but you can go for Stored Power if your buffing a lot (it also gets Future Sight though its more of a tool to force a switch). It also gets some coverage with Thunderbolt/Thunder, Shadow Ball, Focus Blast, and Energy Ball. All its Egg Moves also have some use though I imagine most would want Psychic Terrain.

Honestly I think one thing that'll determines Oranguru's use would be if Instruct has negative priority. Now if it doesn't that's not the end, you'll just need to minimize Speed as much as possible and there will be some Pokemon who can't partner with Oranguru. Also the partner being used would determine whether its worth having them move again or would it have been better to just have another strong Pokemon using another move (whether it be another strong attack or a status move to do a set up).

The fact that it's faster than most TR abusers is good. .. this has to go second to use Instruct without it failing

 

[Project_Mars]

What about the move Quash? I'm not very familiar with VGC, but I love this pokemon so much I'll maybe get into it. Wouldn't making a target pokemon go last have some use? I only imagine it would be hard to fit it into 4MSS.

Quash has Neutral Priority, so it's still pretty garbage without Prankster.

 

[Pikachu315111]

The fact that it's faster than most TR abusers is good. .. this has to go second to use Instruct without it failing

Does Instruct have negative priority? If not you're right.

 

[ChrisWolf66]

Does Instruct have negative priority? If not you're right.

Instruct Mechanics

It doesn't seem to have negative priority at all and fails if used first

This only applies for the First turn tho as it can Instruct the user to use the move from Last turn too not just the same turn