You're missing the part where I said new players. If someone is brand new to the tier and thus coming to play because of our suspect (which happens ALL THE TIME) then playing here for one day really should not qualify them to have such a firm judgement. It's different from someone who's been here for a few months or even a few years and quickly passes judgement whichever way they may swing. They've been exposed to Tauros plenty as it's high up in the usage stats.
I played NU alot in X/Y, the only reason I had stopped playing in ORAS was just due to me attempting to quit PS and quit mons/only play doubles. I am bad at mons, but know mons. I don't give a shit about me, but saying that a user's opinion isn't valid because they haven't been in the NU forums or room or tier or whatever is just wrong. I can't really say anything because my opinion is less valid because of my time off, but ater playing through a considerable bit of the ladder beforehand during the BP suspect test, post suspect, and now this suspect, followed by speaking regularly with more experienced NU players, I feel that my opinion should be valid, and if it's not, instead of saying that because I am new my opinion is invalid, tell me how I am wrong, I respect
Sir Kay and
erisia for saying what were wrong with my points, which I wanted to comment on some.
110 speed and good power isn't something that should single handled win you a game vs good players. People should be prepping for this mon, and honestly I think if you subbed Tauros for any strong fast attacker like Archeops, Floatzel, or even Specs Swellow you'll have the same results.
I agree with this point, but my point was not that I could have the same results with others mons. I may have been able to win with those mons, but these battles were more of tauros versus 4. These even included some of the No switch ins, mesprit and archeops, a musharna, and a garbodor. Even with two No switch ins and a situation switch in check, Tauros was able to clean sweep every mon after rocks. I did get lucky because none of my moves missed, but in a situation where I lost at teambuilder. tauros clean swept with ease. Now flaws with this point. This isn't every situation, and I do admit, this was pure luck and bullshit, but the fact that he has three mons that were on the checks list, and I handled all of them with no problem tells me there was a problem with the mon. My opinion was not made at this point, as this was pre suspect.
I really can't stress enough that this isn't the situation for every battle, and that this is a terrible example. But my main point was not that it simply brought me back from a loss, but these were unwinnable situations that I brought back with a simple tauros sweep on multiple occasions.
We have things that can revenge kill it. Floatzel is really under looked so far in this suspect thread. Being able to out pace it without the need for scarf and force it out with Focus Blast is great. Things like Archeops can be a good offensive switch in if you bring it in on a rock climb or an EQ. There are also quite a few defensive answers to it, the best one being Gourgeist who still even beats out Fire Blast variants.
The main thing I see wrong with this situation is that it can be a good revenge killer, but this answer presented (may not be saying, but is telling me) that you need to lose a mon in order to kill it, or in other situations, predict the move it will use to switch it in (Not like aegislash where it was 50/50, but in similar pre-tenses where it is a roll of the dice to kill it) is not healthy.
I was going to write something about archetypes and prepping for mons, but theorymonning is not something to ban over, kids. It was something along the lines of this. If you prep for leech seeders like ferro, and ghost will o wisps like mismagius you would in theory account for gourgeist. But if you account for speedy normal attackers in the meta, say kangaskhan, you aren't accounting for tauros, and have to run other things so that you can account for tauros, but this is theorymonning, I don't stand by this point as it is stupid, and I have no good words to put here, but might aswell finish what I started.
I mean i I think o actual good arguments I will type them, but right now I can't, I agree with most of your points, kay, but due to occasions I've had with tauros, and talking with it with experienced friends, for now, I am still leaning towards ban. My opinion could still change, as most of my points may have been bad, especially the theorymon one that nobody should take seriously.
Also I was wrong, jynx is S too, fuck sub cm jynx, nasty plot sucks too. Thanks Peli.