[BH] Kyurem-W

RNGIsFatal

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Kris

Kyurem-White analysis:


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QC 1/3 from Uselesscrab
QC 2/3 from E4 Flint
QC 3/3 from Funbot28 previously to the removal of EV limitations
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Overview
Unlike other -ate users, Kyurem-W does not rely on priority. While it is weak to them because of its poor defensive stats, it has the potential to fire off strong attacks with its monsterous base 170 Special Attack stat. In addition, Kyurem-W’s unique typing allows it to purge through walls such as Zygarde-C, defensive Primal Groudon variants, Giratina, and Fur Coat users that do not resist its STAB moves.

In addition, Kyurem-W's STAB combination is only resisted by Steel-types, and this gives it a niche due to its capability to purge through defensively oriented teams. It's somewhat easy to prepare a wall for Imposter by carefully choosing coverage moves.

However, weakness to entry hazards usually limit the times Kyurem-W can switch in. Kyurem-W's typing does not provide much resistances and its defensive stats are not impressive. Therefore, it is easily revenge killed or forced out. In addition, Kyurem-W is forced to equip Choice Items to fulfill its role: Choice Scarf is needed to outspeed many threats such as all Mewtwo variants with its mediocre base 95 Speed, and Choice Specs is required to net guaranteed OHKOs against Assault Vest Zygarde-C, Giratina, and Primal Groudon.

Refrigerate
  • Kyurem-White @ Choice Scarf / Choice Specs
  • Ability: Refrigerate
  • EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
  • Timid / Naive Nature
  • - Boomburst / Techno Blast
  • - Extreme Speed / Secret Sword / Blue Flare
  • - Core Enforcer / Draco Meteor
  • - Switcheroo / Moongeist Beam / Volt Switch
Set Comments
Moves
Boomburst is mandatory in this set due to its ridiculous raw power that allows Kyurem-W to purge through bulky Ground-types and Dragon-types. It also dents anything that doesn’t resist it, including all forms of Primal Groudon and Mewtwo. Techno Blast can be used if one is wary of walls with Soundproof such as Mega Slowbro and Mega Aggron, but it has significantly low PP and is unable to hit through Substitutes. Extreme Speed can be used to pick up on weak or frail foes once they lack anti-priority abilities or field conditions. Secret Sword can be used to make Kyurem-W a mixed sweeper by targeting specially defensive walls that are not capable of taking many physical damage, such as defensive variants of Chansey and Mega Gyarados, while Blue Flare is another option to hit aforementioned foes with better power and apply considerable chance to burn in exchange of having imperfect accuracy. Core Enforcer is a good option that has high Base Power and is STAB while nullifying the switch-in's abilities. Draco Meteor can be used to launch a strong attack, but it weakens Kyurem-W afterwards and is generally inferior to Refrigerated Boomburst. Switcheroo can be used to cripple walls that prevent Kyurem-W from fulfilling its role, while Moongeist Beam can be used to target Solgaleo or Sturdy Shedinja. Finally, Volt Switch can be utilized to hit the likes of Primal Kyogre or Mega Gyarados super effectively while maintaining momentum.

Set Details
One should always choose a nature that boosts Speed regardless of the item Kyurem-W is holding. Such investment will allow Kyurem-W with Choice Scarf to outspeed threats including all Mewtwo variants, Mega Rayquaza that lack priority, and other Choice Scarf users with base Speed below 95. A Naive nature should be chosen if Extreme Speed is included in the set in order to allow Kyurem-W to safely OHKO Pheromosa and Deoxys-A that lack Dazzling or Queenly Majesty and is not under Psychic Terrain. Choice Scarf is generally preferred due to the fact that Kyurem-W cannot outspeed unboosted Mega Mewtwo Y, Mega Gengar, and Deoxys-A. Choice Specs provides Kyurem-W with significantly better power, allowing it to 2HKO foes such as Kyogre or Registeel after some prior damage and depending on their investment.

Usage Tips
Kyurem-W is relatively frail, especially with a Naive nature. Therefore, it should never switch into any attacks other than weak attacks like U-turns from slow pivots. Even they can be risky to switch into, though, as many RegenVest pivots like Solgaleo and Mega Gyarados having high-Base Power attacks. When Kyurem-W's HP is low, never send it into the battle until its checks, such as the likes of Registeel, Solgaleo, and Primal Kyogre, are gone. Especially if it still has its Choice item, one should try their best to protect Kyurem-W due to its late-game sweeping potential, especially if it has Choice Scarf. In addition, if Kyurem-W is holding Choice item, one should make serious consideration before deciding to lock Kyurem-W into Extreme Speed. It is vitally important not to use Extreme Speed until one ensures the foe is susceptible to priority moves. Failure to do so will immediately turn Kyurem-W into setup fodder, unless it has already passed its Choice Scarf to the foe. Another fact to be aware of when using Choice-locked Kyurem-W is that choosing coverage moves like Earth Power will give an opportunity for Flying-types to freely switch in without harm. Switcheroo should be used when one can clearly predict the switch against Kyurem-W. Common switch-ins for Kyurem-W include Registeel, Aegislash, Mega Gyarados, and Solgaleo. RegenVest pivots like Mega Gyarados and Solgaleo will have their walling capabilities significantly hindered without Assault Vest and no longer be able to perform slow U-turn after they are locked into Choice Scarf.

Team Options
Slow pivots with moves such as U-turn and Parting Shot, such as Mega Gyarados, Mega Audino, Registeel, and Solgaleo are great support for Kyurem-W, since they allow Kyurem-W to safely switch into a foe whose Focus Sash is not intact or weakened from Parting Shot. Also, due to its weakness to Stealth Rock, entry hazard removers are mandatory on a team. Good options for this case will be RegenVest pivots with Rapid Spin or bulky allies with Defog such as Zygarde-C, Registeel, and Mega Audino. Even if Kyurem-W may have high Speed with Choice Scarf, anti-priority support from a team is necessary due to the abundance of Triage. A lead with Psychic Surge, such as Mega Mewtwo Y, or any fast ally would be a good option. This set needs Imposter-proofing support. One should always have an ally that can check their own Kyurem-W, since no moves from the set above can OHKO its own Imposter, even with critical hits. Steel-types that can take Boomburst, Dragon-type moves, and coverage moves will be a great option in terms of checking an Imposter. Primal Groudon pairs well with Kyurem-W, since it can check specially bulky foes or problematic Steel-types. It can threaten all Fairy-types, Gyarados that lack Water-type moves, Solgaleo, Registeel, defensive Dialga, and Aegislash all of which Kyurem-W have a hard time purging through. Teammates that can deal with sudden burst of damage or boosts from set ups are necessary due to the fact that Kyurem-W will have to switch after firing off an attack and allows another foe to switch in while Kyurem-W is locked into a move that they can take.

Contrary Wallbreaker
  • Kyurem-White @ Choice Scarf / Life Orb
  • Ability: Contrary
  • EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
  • Timid / Naive Nature
  • IVs: 0 Atk
  • - Draco Meteor
  • - Overheat
  • - Leaf Storm / Moongeist Beam
  • - Switcheroo
Set Comments
Moves
Draco Meteor is the main STAB and spammable move, denting Pokemon that resist it after couple boosts from Contrary. Overheat is another Contrary-utilizing move that can dent Steel-types such as Solgaleo and Registeel, which wall Kyurem-W without such coverage. Unlike the previous two boosting moves, Leaf Storm can be used to break through Water-types, such as Mega Gyarados and Primal Kyogre. Moongeist Beam, if Kyurem-W has already passed its Choice Scarf to the foe, can be used to break through Unaware or Sturdy Shedinja that would otherwise wall this set. Switcheroo can be used to cripple walls that disrupt the whole team, locking them into a single move.

Set Details
A Modest nature is not preferred due to its inability to let Kyurem-W outspeed other Choice Scarf users or the likes of Mega Mewtwo Y and Pheromosa. Choice Specs is not necessary, as Contrary allows Kyurem-W to constantly gain Special Attack boosts, and Choice Scarf is much better in terms of late-game clean up. Life Orb can be used to boost Kyurem-W's power, but it leaves it very vulnerable against faster foes or its own Imposter. A Naive nature is an interesting and considerable option, as it allows Kyurem-W to OHKO its own Imposter after a single Contrary boost from Draco Meteor, as the Imposter will copy a nature that decreases their Special Defense. Choice Scarf will allow Kyurem-W to win the Speed tie in this case unless Imposter Blissey holds a Choice Scarf.

Usage Tips
Kyurem-W should switch in after a slow U-turn or Parting Shot from allies due to its relatively poor typing and unimpressive bulk. When the opponent has defensive walls, make sure that they do not have Unaware or rare Innards Out from the likes of Lunala or Kyurem-B, which have fairly high HP stat that can be utilized in such a case. Switcheroo, while it can cripple walls, will lock Kyurem-W into mediocre Speed in exchange; therefore, careful considerations are required before using it. Even Spectral Thief users with Focus Sash will be unable to stop this set, as they can only take boosts from Special Attack, meaning they won't be able to do major damage to Kyurem-W in return.

Team Options
Due to Kyurem-W's terrifying power that can potentially be boosted by Contrary, there are very limited number of sets that can wall this set, such as Unaware. Allies that can scout for abilities, such as Normalize Mega Gengar with Entrainment, are the best partner for Kyurem-W. In addition, Draco Meteor has 90% accuracy, and that means Kyurem-W will sometimes fail to check its own Imposter. Therefore, having a Fairy-type Unaware wall in the team, such as Mega Audino or Xerneas, will prevent Kyurem-W's team being swept by their own ally. If one wishes to sweep with non-Choice Scarf Kyurem-W with Contrary, a partner that can use Sticky Web and block Rapid Spin, such as Giratina or Aegislash, are going to be a great option.

Strategy Comments
Other Options
If one favors safer Dragon-type moves, Clanging Scales can be replaced with Core Enforcer on the Refrigerate set. Not having Core Enforcer will let RegenVest pivot in one's team to remain healthy while constantly checking Imposter transformed as Kyurem-W. A different set with Draco Plate, Judgment, Ice Beam, Moongeist Beam, and Quiver Dance with Dazzling can be a fast sweeper that is not locked into one move while also being able to hit its own Imposter super effectively. However, this set is easily walled or threatened by Prankster Pokemon with Haze, bulky foes with Spectral Thief, or any Unaware foes with type advantage. Using Galvanize with a set of Boomburst, Ice Beam, Moongeist Beam or Blue Flare, and Switcheroo can be instead of Refrigerate to surprise the foe. This set allows Kyurem-W to check Water-type switch-ins such as Mega Gyarados and Primal Kyogre that can easily wall Refrigerate set, but this is generally inferior to Refrigerate set outside of this.

Checks and Counters
  • Solgaleo: While other Steel-types are threatened by coverage moves such as Earth Power and Secret Sword, Solgaleo can take a couple of hits thanks to its massive base HP stat of 137. Especially if it has Regenerator with Assault Vest, even Moongeist Beam will not be able to 2HKO Solgaleo unless Choice Specs set is used. After sponging the damage, Solgaleo can retaliate with Sunsteel Strike, with Metal Burst, or by removing Kyurem-W's Choice item. However, Solgaleo must be always wary of Blue Flare, which has a relatively high chance of burning it and has a chance of 2HKOing it after some prior damage.
  • Priority: Pokemon with Triage and -ate abilities always threaten Kyurem-W when Psychic Terrain is not active. Especially the likes of Pixilate Mega Diancie can always force out Kyurem-W or OHKO with Pixilate-boosted Extreme Speed.
  • Bulky Water-types: RegenVest Mega Gyarados can take anything from Refrigerate set except some rare coverage moves like Secret Sword. It can hit back with Knock Off or switch into Kyurem-W's check using slow U-turn. Kyogre's high Special Defense stat with resistance to Ice allows it to take most of coverage moves.
  • Entry Hazards: Kyurem-W loses a quarter of its health when it switches into Stealth Rock. Also, it is vulnerable to Spikes, Toxic Spikes, and Sticky Web. Therefore, a support with Rapid Spin or Defog is almost mandatory in the team.
  • Status: Just like other sweepers, Kyurem-W hates status. Paralysis will make Kyurem-W fail to fulfill its role of outspeeding threats and forcing them out with Choice Scarf, and poison puts a timer on Kyurem-W.
  • Switcheroo-immune Walls: Mega Audino or Steel-types with Z-Crystals can consistently wall Kyurem-W while not being crippled by being locked into Choice item.
  • Soundproof Users: Although uncommon, Soundproof users that resist Kyurem-W's coverage moves can quite easily wall it due to the fact that they do not take any damage from Refrigerated Boomburst.
 
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Can I reserve Kyurem - White if no one has taken it yet?
Also, is it possible for me to reserve multiple mons at a time or do I have to complete one in order to reserve for another?
BC I want Mewtwo - Mega X and Audino - Mega as well...

If not, just think I am reserving for Kyurem - White only.
just do kyurem-white
 
Definitely a start to the analysis here, but imho there is too much missing.

Comments in bold. Note for GP: replace all" – " with -
READY FOR QC
Overview


- As Anti – priority abilities and field conditions were introduced in 7th generation, Kyurem –B lost majority of its offensive presence while Kyurem – W found its place to stay as a terrifying wallbreaker.
Remove the mention of 7th generation
- Kyurem – White’s raw power and unique typing allows it to purge through walls such as Zygarde – C, defensive Primal Groudon variants, or any Fur Coat users that do not resist STAB moves.

- Weakness to entry hazards usually limit the times Kyurem – White can switch in.
Add that it has a bad defensive typing and bad bulk that leaves it open to revenge killing and requires a choice scarf to outspeed a lot of things

[Standard Refrigerate]

Kyrurem – White @ Choice Scarf / Choice Specs

Ability: Refrigerate

EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe

Timid / Naive Nature

- Boomburst

- Extremespeed / Earth Power / Searing Shot
Blue Flare > searing shot
- Core Enforcer / Draco Meteor

- Switcheroo / Moongeist Beam

[Set Comments]

Moves

- Boomburst is mandatory in this set due to its ridiculous raw power that can potentially dent those who resist it.
What walls can it kill and dent?
- Extremespeed can be used to pick up on weak or frail foes once you know they lack anti – priority abilities or field conditions, while Earth Power or Searing Shot can be used to hit Steel types super effectively.
Make 3 bullet points here
- Core Enforcer is good option which has high base power and getting STAB boost while removing switch – in’s abilities. However, this makes your team more vulnerable against Imposter unless you have Fairy type that resist Ice type moves. Draco Meteor can be used to dent any pokemon that does not resist it, but it tends to make Kyurem – White a setup fodder afterwards.
Just say that Core Enforcer is good for removing abilities. You don't need the rest. Remove references to Draco Meteor and put them in OO.
- Switcheroo can be used to cripple walls that prevent Kyurem – White from fulfilling its role or Moongeist Beam can be used to target Solgaleo or Shedinja.
Make this two bullet points

Set Details

- Maximum investment on Special Attack and Speed will allow Kyurem – White to hit as hard and as fast as possible. One should always choose a nature that boosts Speed to outspeed threats with Choice Scarf, including all Mewtwo variants, Mega Rayquaza that lacks priority, or other Choice Scarf users with base Speed below 100.
What nature should you choose if running Choice Specs? My guess is still Timid since you want to outspeed max speed Primal Groudon.
- Naive nature should be chosen if Extremespeed is included in the set in order to allow Kyurem - White to safely OHKO Pheromosa that lacks Dazzling or Queenly Majesty.

- Choice Scarf is generally preferred cripple Shell Smash sweepers or to threat many pokemon that is weak to Kyurem – White’s STAB moves, but Choice Specs can be used to deal massive damage to put holes in the opposing team, making your team’s cleaner have easier time to sweep later game.
Most shell smash sweepers are still faster than scarf Kyurem-w. So switch this to something about how it can outspeed some offensive threats like MMY or Mega Gengar, or even Deoxys-A.

[Usage Tips]

- Due to Kyurem – White’s well – known raw power, it will force lots of switches. And since the sets mentioned above have Choice items, it is vitally important to predict when using coverage moves or Switcheroo. In team preview, it is important to know who can wall Kyurem – White and who is always forced to switch out.
Probably just say something about how Kyurem-W forces switches and gives you an opportunity to fire off strong attacks.
- Kyurem – White is relatively frail, especially with Naive nature. Therefore, it should never switch into any attacks other than weak attacks like slow U – turns from slow pivots.
Move this before the previous bullet since you should know when to bring it in before you can actually use it.
- When Kyurem – White is low, never send it into the battle until its checks are gone. Especially if it still has its Choice item, one should try their best to protect Kyurem – White due to its late – game sweeping potential, especially if it has Choice Scarf.

- Never use Extremespeed until you have confirmed that the target is vulnerable to priority moves. If you fail to use Extremespeed, you will be locked into that move, and become a setup fodder, unless you passed on your Choice item to someone else using Switcheroo.

When is it good to use Switcheroo?

[Team Options]

- Slow pivots with moves such as U – turn or Parting Shot are great support for Kyurem – White, since it can safely switch into an opponent whose Focus Sash is not in tact or weakened from Parting Shot.
Examples?
- Because of its weakness to Stealth Rock, Hazard remover is mandatory in a team.
Examples?
- Even if Kyurem may have high speed with Choice Scarf, anti – priority support from a team is necessary due to the introduction of Triage. A lead with Psychic Surge would be a good option.
Examples?
This mon needs impostorproofing support, even if it runs a choice scarf to outspeed the impostor, it can't ohko the impostor with any of its moves, not even Draco Meteor:
252 SpA Kyurem-White Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Kyurem-White: 348-410 (49.4 - 58.2%) -- 98.4% chance to 2HKO
While the impostor OHKOS back with Core Enforcer if it has it:
252 SpA Kyurem-White Core Enforcer vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Kyurem-White: 398-470 (101.7 - 120.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Regen-vest steel types such as Celesteela or Solgaleo are good impostor proof teammates and can also provide a lot of team support themselves.

- Primal Groudon pairs well with Kyurem - White, since it can threaten Gyarados that lacks Water type move, Solgaleo, Registeel, defensive Dialga, or Aegislash which Kyurem – White has hard time purging through.

- Team with Regen – Vest pivot can consistently check Kyurem – White, so having teammate with a status move can set a timer on them, limiting the number of times they can switch into Kyurem – White.
Status moves don't stop Regen vest pivots. Not really, anyway. The point of a regen vest pivot is that they switch in, then pivot out, so even toxic poison's effects are minimal. Combine this bullet with the previous one, since physical wallbreakers like P-Don are great for taking out regen-vest pivots. The examples you gave in that bullet are all common regen-vest pivots anyway.

[Contrary Wallbreaker]

Kyrurem – White @ Choice Scarf

Ability: Contrary

EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe

Timid / Naive Nature

- Draco Meteor

- Overheat

- Ice Beam / Leaf Storm / Moongeist Beam

- Switcheroo

[Set Comments]

Moves

- Draco Meteor is main STAB and spammable move, denting even the ones who resist it after couple boosts from Contrary.

- Overheat is another Contrary – abusing move that can dent Steel types who wall Kyurem – White otherwise.

- Ice Beam can be used as a STAB which deals massive damage after number of boosts from Contary, or Leaf Storm can be used to break through Water types, such as Mega Gyarados or Kyogre. Moongeist Beam can be used to break through Unaware or Sturdy Shedinja who would otherwise wall this set.

- Switcheroo can be used to cripple wall that disrupts your whole team, locking them into a single move.

Set Details

- Similar to Refrigerate set, maximum Special Attack and Speed investment is required to hit as hard and fast as possible. Modest nature is not preferred due to its inability to outspeed other Choice Scarf users or the likes of Deoxys and Pheromosa.

- Choice Specs is not necessary due to the fact that Contrary allows Kyurem – White to constantly gain Special Attack every time it uses a strong move, and Choice Scarf is much better in terms of late – game clean up.

- Naive nature is an interesting option, which allows Kyurem – White to OHKO its own Imposter after a single boost from Draco Meteor due to Imposter copying Nature that hinders Special Defense. Choice Scarf will allow Kyurem – White to win speed tie in this case.

- V – create, while being a great move that boosts Kyurem – White’s defensive stats and Speed, can let your Imposter take a boosted Draco Meteor and hit back. Therefore, it is not used in this set, unlike other Contrary sets.
Remove

[Usage Tips]

When should I switch in this Kyurem-w?
- Although this set can turn Kyurem – White into fearsome sweeper, it is very vulnerable to Imposter users. So it is not recommended to start accumulating boosts from Contrary until you confirm Imposter Chansey is not present, unless you are running Naive nature.
Remove, since you advised running naive to ohko impostor in Set Details
- When your opponent has defensive walls, make sure that they do not have Unaware or rare Innards Out from the likes of Lunala or Kyurem – B, which has fairly high HP stat that can be utilized in such case.

- Switcheroo, while it can cripple walls, will lock Kyurem – White into mediocre speed in exchange, so consider carefully before using it.

- Even Spectral Thief users with Focus Sash will be unable to stop this set, because they can only take boosts from Special Attack, meaning they won’t be able to do major damage to Kyurem – White in return. Choice Scarf will allow Kyurem – White to outspeed most of these variants, meaning Kyurem – White can shrug off about the stolen boosts and keep spamming Draco Meteor and Overheat to finish the opponent that is left with 1 hp.

[Team Options]

- Due to Kyurem – White’s terrifying power that can potentially be boosted by Contrary, there are very limited number of sets that can wall this set, such as Unaware or Innards Out. So it is important to check if opposing team has such abilities before you send Kyurem – White.
I think what you meant to say was that it's important to scout for innards out or unaware users before bringing Kyurem-W out. What teammates can do this?
- Draco Meteor has 90% accuracy, and that means Kyurem – White will sometimes fail to check its Imposter. Therefore, having Fairy - type Unaware wall in your team, such as Mega Audino, will prevent your team being swept by your own set.

- If you wish to sweep with Kyurem - White with Contrary that lacks Choice Scarf, a support that can use Sticky Web is going to be a great option.
examples of sticky web setters

[Other Options]

draco meteor or clanging scales on the Refrigerate set for more powerful stab
Secret Sword to become a strong mixed attacker


- A set with Draco Plate, Judgment, Ice Beam, Moongeist Beam, Shell Smash / Quiver Dance can be a fast sweeper that is not locked into one move while also being Imposter - proof.

- A Prankster set with Spore, Ice Beam, Substitute, Copycat / Taunt can surprise opponent when they expect Refrigerate and switch into a wall or a check. In this case, make your your Kyurem - White holds Leftovers.
This set doesn't seem at all viable when there are much better prankster copycat users out there like Primal Groudon. Prankster Copycat itself seems a bit gimmicky, probably remove.

[Checks and Counters]

- Solgaleo: While other Steel types are threatened by coverage moves such as Earth Power, Searing Shot, or Secret Sword, Solgaleo can take couple hits thanks to its massive base HP of 137. Especially if it has Regenerator with Assault Vest, even Moongeist Beam will not be able to 2HKO Solgaleo unless Choice Specs set is used. After sponging the damage, Solgaleo can hit back with Sunsteel Strike or Metal Burst or Knock Off Kyurem's Choice items.
Blue Flare hurts it bad
- Priority: Triage and -ate ability always threat Kyurem - White when Psychic Terrain is not active. Especially the likes of Pixilate Mega Diancie can always force out Kyurem - White or OHKO with Extremespeed.

- Imposters: Having incredible raw power means its own Imposter will also have such trait. This can be alleviated by having a check in your team that resists Ice type moves and other move you choose for coverage. If Imposter user copies Contrary set and manages to KO your Kyurem, it can be a disaster for your whole team if your team lacks a check for Contrary set.
Remove, this applies to any sweeper in bh.
- Bulky Water types: Regen - Vest Mega Gyarados can take anything from Refrigerate set except some rare coverage moves like Secret Sword. It can hit back with Knock Off or switch into Kyurem's check using slow U - turn. Kyogre's high Special Defense stat with resistance to Ice - types can even take most of coverage moves.

- Entry Hazards: Stealth Rock is omnipresent, meaning that a support with Rapid Spin or Defog is mandatory to keep Kyurem - White healthy.
Just mention that Kyurem-w takes 25% damgae from stealth rock and is vulnerable to spikes, webs and toxic spikes. Add status here also, since it hates paralysis and poisons
- Walls immune to Switcheroo: Giratina with Griseous Orb, Audino with Audinite, or any other pokemon with Mail can consistently wall Kyurem - B while not being crippled by being locked into Choice item.
SPD Giratina can't switch into choice scarf boomburst; 252 SpA Refrigerate Kyurem-w Boomburst vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Giratina: 426-504 (84.6 - 100.1%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKo
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RNGIsFatal

Banned deucer.
Once my analysis gets rejected, do I apply the feedback, fix it and submit again? Or is it just the analysis itself is permanently rejected?
 
I am aware that I have mentioned this couple of times already, but I have edited my analysis after SuperSkyLake gave me a feedback.

I am ready for QC check so please give me some feedbacks, or I would like to know if someone is checking my analysis or not.

Edited Kyurem-W Analysis that is ready for first QC Check (currently 0/3)

Sorry if repetitive post is a bother.
Please stop. This is very much a bother. We only have three QC members and they have a variety of responsibilities to attend to, and your analysis is not only of medium priority, many other QC-ready analyses were created before it. We'll get to it soon.
 
RNGIsCancer

Overview
  • We don't talk about generational shifts; say something instead about how Kyurem-W excels as an -ate user that isn't as reliant on priority.
Refrigerate
  • In Moves, note that being locked into Extreme Speed is risky because of anti-priority abilities
  • You have to include a line about Draco Meteor in the Moves section — higher power to net KOs at the cost of only being able to attack powerfully once.
  • You don't have to give it a slash, but I would mention the possibility of Volt Switch in Moves to gain momentum.
  • In Set Details, make sure to note that those things that you outspeed are only outsped with Scarf
  • Second Usage Tip is useless
  • In the third Usage Tip, can you mention specific checks (Steel-types?)
Contrary
  • This set is a little confusing to me. You won't be able to use Ice Beam with boosts if you have a Choice Scarf, so maybe slash another item here. If you do this, add another option in place of Switcheroo in the last slot. If you don't want to, then get rid of the line about Ice Beam taking advantage of boosts.
  • Moongeist Beam breaking through Unaware also only makes sense if you're not choiced.
  • For the second Usage Tips, it's hard to "make sure" that they don't have Innards Out, so maybe an Entrainment user on one's own team would be a good idea to scout? You can mention in Usage Tips or Team Options if you like. You already sort of do, so make it clearer.
Other Options
  • This wording is pretty weird. Are you replacing Core Enforcer with Clanging Scales on the Refrigerate set? If so, make that clear. You already have Draco slashed up there, so it's confusing to mention them both. Also, the line about Regenerator only applies if you're Imposter-proofing with a Regenerator user, so make that clearer.
  • Can you mention abilities for this Judgment set? Also, it's not Imposter-proof, because Ice Beam can do a lot of damage when used by Chansey after a Shell Smash, but Judgment does give it an advantage.
Checks and Counters
  • Say "Z-Crystals or Mega Stones" instead of "mail" because they are much more relevant
Sorry for the wait. Well done for your first analysis. QC 1/3
 
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RNGIsFatal

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Gigantic post above.
Thank you for second QC check. That's a lot of work. Just finished lots of edits and here's the summary:

* Changed intro - removed generational shift comment
* Refrigerate set - Draco Meteor explanation added
* Contrary set - Ice Beam removed, added more clarifications about checking Imposter
* Other Options - Suggestion of Galvanize set which might be not viable as Refrigerate set
* Checks and Counters - Solgaleo: I miscalculated and Regenvest form survives 2 Blue Flare. I changed it so say that Solgaleo will be aware of considerable burn rate and danger from Blue Flare after some prior damage.
Kyurem-W Analysis: Ready for 3rd QC Check

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RNGIsFatal

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To you and everyone else who has 2 QC checks now: don't forget to write your analysis up into paragraphs before receiving the third.
Thanks for quick reply & reminder.

Do I need to make Checks & Counters fixed into paragraph as well? All Smogon analysis I saw had that part in bullet points.
 
Thanks for quick reply & reminder.

Do I need to make Checks & Counters fixed into paragraph as well? All Smogon analysis I saw had that part in bullet points.
Nope, that section stays like **Check/Counter**: Here is the description in the form of sentences

edit: actually it's in brackets now like [Check/Counter], but we can correct this at any time
 
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If I am waiting for 3rd QC Check, who would I tag to?
Sorry, due to Electrolyte's recent inactivity the already slow QC process has been weakened even further. Kris and I are going to add new people at some point. Also, I will try to get to the analyses I haven't looked at yet, but have not had large gaps of time in my schedule recently.

Now that my first analysis in GP can I reserve and starting working on Deoxys-speed? Uselesscrab
I don't have a problem with this. Just be a bit more vigilant on the next GP check you get for Ash Greninja.
 

RNGIsFatal

Banned deucer.
I am no longer in a rush, so UselessCrab or Quantum Terresact can take time to look at it. I have many other things to do so please take time on this.

Kyurem-W Analysis: Ready for 3rd QC Check

And to be a little ahead in terms of grammar formatting, I removed all 'you's and 'yours's from analysis.

Also can I reserve Garchomp-Mega for next analysis? I am not going to start until I think my grammar for this analysis is good though.
 
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RNGIsFatal

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http://www.smogon.com/forums/thread...alysis-megathread.3592578/page-5#post-7237700

Funbot28 or motherlove

The link is above, if you are wondering where you guys can find my analysis.

The Ruins of Alpha I privately asked UselessCrab if I can do Mega Gengar analysis if you are not doing it. This 'mon is something I would choose over Mega Garchomp, but I can't deny the fact that Mega Gengar is one of the most important and challenging analysis. So I need your response to this prior to my decision of taking it.
Please PM me if you are going to pursue it or not, so I can let UselessCrab know about your stance ASAP and I can freely choose my next analysis for future.
 

RNGIsFatal

Banned deucer.
Thank you for your work, Funbot28, looks like that must have taken a while.

For everyone, I just wanted to ask if it will be appropriate to put anything related to Water Bubble or Innards Out in our analysis, because I believe those abilities will be banned soon (with the exception of Pogre and Greninja for they are the main abusers).

Just mentioning this because when I was newbie to BH last gen, I had hard time coming up with movesets for MMX last gen because the analysis page for MMX and MMY only had Protean sets (banned ability). If we mentioned anything that might be banned or limited in the future, won't they confuse the reader?
 

Sobi

Banned deucer.
Overview

Unlike other -ate users, Kyurem-W does not rely on priority. While it is weak to other -ate usersm (think its obvious them refers to -ate users) because of its unsophisticatedpoor defensive stats, it has the potential to fire off strong attacks with its monsterous base 170 Special Attack stat. In addition, Kyurem-W’s unique typing allows it to purge through walls such as Zygarde-C, defensive Primal Groudon variants, Giratina, or anyd Fur Coat users that do not resist Kyurem-W'its STAB moves.

In addition, Kyurem-W's STAB combination of Kyurem-W is only resisted by Steel-(AH)types, and this gives Kyurem-Wit a niche due to its capability to purge through defense-oriented teams and i.(period) It's somewhat easy to prepare a wall for Imposter by carefully choosing coverage moves.

However, weakness to entry hazards usually limit the times Kyurem–W can switch in, and.(period) Kyurem-W's typing does not provide much resistances and its defensive stats are not impressive. Therefore, it is easily revenge killed or forced out. In addition, Kyurem-W's mediocre baspeed of 95 Speed forces it to run Choice Scarf to outspeed many threats such as all Mewtwo variants.


[Standard Refrigerate]

Kyrurem–White @ Choice Scarf / Choice Specs
Ability: Refrigerate
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe
Timid / Naive Nature

- Boomburst / Techno Blast
- Extremespeed / Earth Power / Blue Flare
- Core Enforcer / Draco Meteor
- Switcheroo / Moongeist Beam / Volt Switch

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[Set Comments]


Moves

Boomburst is mandatory in this set due to its ridiculous raw power that allows Kyurem-W to purge through bulky Ground-(AH) and Dragon-(AH)types. It also dents anything that doesn’t resist it, including all forms of Primal Groudon-Primal and Mewtwo. Extreme(space)Speed can be used to pick up on weak or frail foes once theiry lack anti–priority abilities or field conditions have been confirmed. Techno Blast can be used if one is wary of walls with Soundproof such as Mega Slowbro and Mega Aggron, but it has significantly low PP and is unabilityle to hit through Substitutes.
Earth Power can hit the Steel-(AH)types such as Solgaleo and Registeel super(space)effectively that resists Boomburst, while Blue Flare is another option to hit aforementioned opponents Steel typfoes with better power and apply considerable chance to burn in exchange of having imperfect accuracy. Core Enforcer is a good option whichthat has high bBase pPower and gettingis STAB boost while nullifying the switch-in’s's (straight apo.) abilities. Draco Meteor can be used to launch a strong attack, but it weakens Kyurem-W afterwards and is generally inferior to Refrigerated Boomburst.
Switcheroo can be used to cripple walls that prevent Kyurem-White from fulfilling its role,(AC) while Moongeist Beam can be used to target Solgaleo or Sturdy Shedinja. Finally, Volt Switch can be utilized to hit the likes of Primal Kyogre or Mega Gyarados super(space)effectively while maintaining momentum.


Set Details

Maximum investment oin Special Attack and Speed will allow Kyurem-White to hit as hard and as fast as possible. One should always choose a nature that boosts Speed regardless of the item Kyurem-W is holding. Such investment will allow Kyurem-W with Choice Scarf to outspeed threats including all Mewtwo variants, Mega Rayquaza that lacks priority, orand other Choice Scarf users with base Speed below 95. A Naive nature should be chosen if Extreme Speed is included in the set in order to allow Kyurem-White to safely OHKO Pheromosa and Deoxys-A that lack Dazzling or Queenly Majesty and is not under Psychic Terrain. Choice Scarf is generally preferred due to the fact that Kyurem-W cannot outspeed unboosted Mega Mewtwo Y, Mega Gengar, and Deoxys-A without Choice Scarf.
it. Choice Specs provides Kyurem-W with significantly better power, allowing it to 2HKO foes opponents such as Kyogre orand Registeel after some prior damage and depending on their investment.

[Usage Tips]

Kyurem-W is relatively frail, especially with a Naive nature. Therefore, it should never switch into any attacks other than weak attacks like slow U-turns from slow pivots. Even U-turnsthey can be risky to switch into, due though, as many Regen-(remove)Vest pivots like Solgaleo orand Mega Gyarados having high base attacks.
-Base Power attacks. When Kyurem-W's HP is low, never send it into the battle until its checks are gone, such as the likes of Registeel, Solgaleo, and Primal Kyogre, are gone. Especially if it still has its Choice item, one should try their best to protect Kyurem-W due to its late-game sweeping potential, especially if it has Choice Scarf. In addition, if Kyurem-W is holding a Choice item, one should make serious consideration before deciding to lock Kyurem-W into Exterme Speed. It is vitally important not to use Extremes Speed until one ensures the opponent is susceptible to priority moves. Failure to execute Extremespeeddo so will immediately turn Kyurem-W into set-(remove)up fodder, unless it has already passed its Choice Scarf to other opponent. Another fact to be aware of when using Kyurem-W that is locked into Choice ItemChoice-locked Kyurem-W is that choosing coverage moves like Earth Power will give an opportunity for Flying-types to freely switch in without harm. Switcheroo should be used when one can clearly predict the switch against Kyurem-W. Common switch-ins(add) for Kyurem-W includes(remove) Registeel, Aegislash, Mega Gyarados, and Solgaleo. Regen-(remove)vVest pivots like Mega Gyarados orand Solgaleo will have their walling capabilities significantly hindered without Assault Vest and no longer be able to perform slow U-turn after they are locked into Choice Scarf.

[Team Options]

Slow pivots with moves such as U-turn orand Parting Shot, such as Mega Gyarados, Mega Audino, Registeel, or Solgaleoand Solgaleo, are great support for Kyurem-W, since they allow Kyurem-W to safely switch into an opponent foe whose Focus Sash is not intact or weakened from Parting Shot. Also, due to its weakness to Stealth Rock, Hazard remover is mandatory ientry hazard removera are mandatory on a team. Good options for this case will be Regen-are RegenVest pivots with Rapid Spin or bulky allyies with Defog such as Zygarde-C, Registeel, or Mega Audino.
and Mega Audino. Even if Kyurem-W may have high sSpeed with Choice Scarf, anti-priority support from a team is necessary due to the introductionabundance of Triage. A lead with Psychic Surge, such as Mega Mewtwo Y, or any fast ally would be a good option. This set needs Impose(remove)ter-proofing support. One should always have an ally who can check their own Kyurem-W, since no moves from the set above can OHKO its own Imposter, even with critical hits. Steel-types that can take Boomburst, Dragon-type moves, and the coverage moves(add) will be a great option in terms of checking Imposter of Kyurem-W.
an Imposter. Primal Groudon pairs well with Kyurem-W, since it can check specially bulky opponents or problematic Steel foes or problematic Steel-types. It can threaten all Fairy-types, Gyarados that lacks Water type move Water-type moves, Solgaleo, Registeel, defensive Dialga, or Aegislash which Kyurem-W hasand Aegislash, which Kyurem-W have a hard time purging through. Teammates that can deal with sudden burst of damage or boosts from set ups are necessary due to the fact that Kyurem-W will have to switch after firing off an attack and has tendency for next opponentallows the another foe to switch in while Kyurem-W is locked into a move that they can take.

[Contrary Wallbreaker]

Kyrurem–White

Kyurem-W @ Choice Scarf / Life Orb
Ability: Contrary
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe
Timid / Naive Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Overheat
- Leaf Storm / Moongeist Beam
- Switcheroo

[Set Comments]

Moves

Draco Meteor is the main STAB and spammable move, denting even the ones whoPokemon that resist it after couple boosts from Contrary. Overheat is another Contrary–abus-utilizing move that can dent Steel-types such as Solgaleo and Registeel who, which wall Kyurem-W without such coverage. Unlike the previous two boosting moves, Leaf Storm can be used to break through Water-types, such as Mega Gyarados orand Primal Kyogre. Moongeist Beam, if Kyurem-W has already passed its Choice Scarf to the foe opponent, can be used to break through Unaware or Sturdy Shedinja that would otherwise wall this set. Switcheroo can be used to cripple walls(add) that disrupts the whole team, locking them into a single move.


Set Details

Similarly to Refrigerate set, mMaximum Special Attack and Speed investment is required to hit as hard and fast as possible. A Modest nature is not preferred due to its inability to let Kyurem-W outspeed other Choice Scarf users or the likes of Mega Mewtwo Y and Pheromosa. Choice Specs is not necessary due to the fact that, as Contrary allows Kyurem-W to constantly gain Special Attack every time it uses a strong moveboosts, and Choice Scarf is much better in terms of late-game clean up. Life Orb can be used to intensify already-strong raw power of Kyurem-W, but it leaves Kyurem-Wboost Kyurem-W's power, but it leaves it very vulnerable against faster foes opponents or its own Imposter. A Naive nature is an interesting and considerable option, as because it allows Kyurem-W to OHKO its own Imposter after a single Contrary boost from Draco Meteor due to Imposter copying Nature that hinders, as the Imposter will copy a nature that decreases their Special Defense. Choice Scarf will allow Kyurem-W to win sthe Speed tie in this case unless the likes of Imposter Blissey holds a Choice Scarf.

[Usage Tips]

Kyurem-W should switch in after a slow U-turn or Parting Shot from allies due to its relatively poor typing and unimpressive bulk. When the opponent has defensive walls, make sure that they do not have Unaware or rare Innards Out from the likes of Lunala or Kyurem-B, which hasve fairly high HP stat that can be utilized in such case.
a case. Switcheroo, while it can cripple walls, will lock Kyurem-W into mediocre sSpeed in exchange, so one should consider carefully before using it. Even Spectral Thief users with Focus Sash will be unable to stop this set, because they can only take boosts from Special Attack, meaning they won’(remove)'(add)t (straight apostrophe) be able to do major damage to Kyurem-W in return.

[Team Options]

Due to Kyurem-W's terrifying power that can potentially be boosted by Contrary, there are very limited number of sets that can wall this set, such as Unaware or Innards Out. Allyies that can scout for abilities, such as Normalize Mega Gengar with Entrainment, isare the best partner for Kyurem-W. In addition, Draco Meteor has 90% accuracy, and that means Kyurem-W will sometimes fail to check its own Imposter. Therefore, having a Fairy-type Unaware wall in the team, such as Mega Audino or Xerneas, will prevent Kyurem-W's team being swept by their own ally. If one wishes to sweep with non-Choice Scarf Kyurem-W with Contrary that lacks Choice Scarf, a support, a partner that can use Sticky Web and block Rapid Spin, such as Giratina or Aegislash, areis going to be a great options(remove).

[Other Options]

If one favors safer Dragon-type moves, Clanging Scales can be replaced with Core Enforcer inon the Refrigerate set. Not having Core Enforcer will let Regen-(remove)Vest pivots(add) in one's team to remain healthy while constantly checking Imposter transformed as Kyurem-W. As different coverage, Secret Sword can be used to make Kyurem-W a mixed sweeper by targeting specially defensive walls that isare not capable of taking many physical damage, such as defensive variants of Chansey. A different set with Draco Plate, Judgment, Ice Beam, Moongeist Beam, or Quiver Dance with Dazzling can be a fast sweeper that is not locked into one move while also being able to hit its own Imposter super(space)effectively. However, this set is easily walled or threatened by Pranksters with Haze, bulky opponent Pokemon with Haze, bulky foes with Spectral Thief, or any Unaware opponents with type advantage.
Unaware foes with type advantage. Using Galvanize with a set of Boomburst, Ice Beam, Moongeist Beam /or Blue Flare, and Switcheroo can be instead of Refrigerate to surprise opponentthe foe. This set allows Kyurem-W to check Water-type switch-in's such as Mega Gyarados and Kyogre that can easily wall Refrigerate set, but this is generally inferior to the Refrigerate set outsides this.

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Checks and Counters]
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- Solgaleo: While other Steel-types are threatened by coverage moves such as Earth Power orand Secret Sword, Solgaleo can take a couple of hits thanks to its massive base HP stat of 137. Especially if it has Regenerator with Assault Vest, even Moongeist Beam will not be able to 2HKO Solgaleo unless Choice Specs set is used. After sponging the damage, Solgaleo can retaliate with Sunsteel Strike or Metal Burst or Knock Off Kyurem-W's Choice items(remove). However, Solgaleo must be always wary of Blue Flare, which has a relatively high chance of burning it and has a chance of 2HKOing it after some prior damage.

- Priority: Pokemon with Triage and -ate abilityies always threaten Kyurem-W when Psychic Terrain is not active. Especially the likes of Pixilate Mega Diancie can always force out Kyurem-W or OHKO with Pixilate-Extremespeed.

- Bulky Water
boosted Extreme(space)Speed.

Bulky Water-
types: Regen-Vest Mega Gyarados can take anything from Refrigerate set except some rare coverage moves like Secret Sword. It can hit back with Knock Off or switch into Kyurem-W's check using slow U-turn. Kyogre's high Special Defense stat with resistance to Ice - types allows it to take most of coverage moves.

- Entry Hazards: Kyurem-W loses a quarter of its health when it switches into Stealth Rock. Also, it is vulnerable to Spikes, Toxic Spikes, and Sticky Web. Therefore, a support with Rapid Spin or Defog is almost mandatory in the team.

- Status: Just like other sweepers, Kyurem-W hates status. Paralysis will make Kyurem-W fail to fulfil(remove)l its role of outspeeding threats and forcing them out with Choice Scarf, and Ppoison puts a timer on Kyurem-W.

- Walls immune to Switcheroo: Audino with Audinite, or any Steel types with Z-cSwitcheroo-immune Walls: Mega Audino or Steel-types with Z-Crystals can consistently wall Kyurem-W while not being crippled by being locked into Choice item.

- Soundproof Users: Although uncommon, Soundproof users that resist Kyurem-W's coverage moves can quite easily wall it,(remove) due to the fact that they do not take any damage from Refrigerated Boomburst.
Done. Sorry for the wait, I lost my progress and then forgot to save everything :x I think I marked out all the punctuation additions/removals, but I can't guarantee that, so make sure you implement this carefully. Overall, the writing was good; you spoke about repeating "you" - you repeated "one" a lot in this analysis, try not to overuse it so much. Can you also make sure that there aren't any line breaks in your paragraphs.

GP 1/1
 
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RNGIsFatal

Banned deucer.
In my case, I will emphasize the fact that Kyurem-W excels as a better wallbreaker due to all walls having significantly higher Special Defense after EV limitation removal. (Giratina has small roll to survive Refrigerate Boomburst if 252HP / 252 SpDef+)
 
Uselesscrab please tell me what you're planning on doing with the already complete and/or GP-ready analyses (ie revamping with the changes or editing via scms, etc).

Sobi hold off on completing that check until Uselesscrab replies.
We have so few analyses completed that I believe we can just revamp Ash Greninja and SCMS edit the others (can't remember them offhand). RNG should make the changes to Kyurem-W before getting a GP check.

edit: other current writers should try to adapt to the best of their ability.
 

RNGIsFatal

Banned deucer.
We have so few analyses completed that I believe we can just revamp Ash Greninja and SCMS edit the others (can't remember them offhand). RNG should make the changes to Kyurem-W before getting a GP check.

edit: other current writers should try to adapt to the best of their ability.
I already have GP check, but I will edit the content, get extra check from QC team to make sure it is appropriately written accordingly to the meta, and get another check from Sobi.

TL;DR: I will start from 2/3 -> 3/3 QC check status.

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Edit:

Also I have been doing regular AM QC checks but I have stopped after the voting for Water Bubble Suspect started and E4 Flint has announced the end of EV limitations.

I might start doing AM QC checks once I figure out if everyone working on analysis is aware of this huge change or not.
 
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